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Kerry writes:

have a local  oral surgeon who clips straightforward stage 1 and 2 tongue- 
ties.....but he  has never heard of staging....or posterior tongue-tie......I 
just referred a  baby for a stage 3/4.....and he feels it does not need 
clipping.......baby  can't latch....doesn't have bad range of motionside to 
side.....but has  bunching when extends the tongue.....and can't maintain extention  
beyond  the lower gum ridge.....


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Cathy Genna can respond, but just to start off...The article about the  
different stages or types, by Dr. Elizabeth Coryllos and  Cathy was in the AAP 
Section on Breastfeeding newsletter, so many  physicians, even pediatricians who 
do not belong to the AAP Breastfeeding  section, probably have not seen it. You 
could refer them to the link to it and  let them read though and see what 
they say. The link is @:
_http://www.aap.org/breastfeeding/8-27%20Newsletter.pdf_ 
(http://www.aap.org/breastfeeding/8-27%20Newsletter.pdf)  
There are other articles by physicians in Japan, I believe. 
 
Babies who cannot latch and breastfeed are not feeding normally.  Since 
breastfeeding is not recognized as simply normal feeding, many  medical 
professionals will say the mom can just pump and bottlefeed and that  should be fine. Not 
being able to maintain extension with a nice, wide open  mouth often goes 
with lack of elevation and also compromises the baby's ability  to stabilize the 
front, and drop the back of the tongue, which then means the  baby cannot 
generate that nice negative suction pressure that helps draw out  milk gently but 
powerfully. If the tie is really tight, they cannot latch at  all, or they 
latch but don't stay, or they latch and no matter how long they  feed for they 
can't get enough milk. They may compensate with compression, which  means pain 
for mom and often fatigue for the baby. On a bottle they may have  milk loss at 
the corners because as you said, the tongue can't stay forward to  seal the 
corners of the mouth, meaning they may also feed longer, mom needs to  pump 
more, they may have trouble with bolus control, and may spit up more, have  more 
GERD, etc. Babies whose ties are really tight, can have trouble with weight  
gain even on a bottle, which is sometimes the only way the MD will say go for  
the release. Getting a local professional to do it is the challenge then. That 
 is where sharing the article might help. Dr. Coryllos has actually talked to 
 other MDs at times and helped them learn this technique. It is more bloody 
than  the anteriors, and needs more time with pressure on the wound afterwards. 
(4  minutes instead of 2).  Healing may take a bit longer, and baby may do  a 
lot better right away, in a few weeks, or months, or it may not change much 
at  all. Usually at least bottlefeeding skills improve right away. Sometimes 
there  are other things going on which the release will not fix, like 
torticollis,  which may not be noticed because it can be quite subtle. As far as the  
procedure itself, it is not really different at least with Dr. Coryllos. The  
same local anesthetic is used, the same Mickey Mouse ears tongue elevator is  
used to visualize the tie and stabilize for the release and someone (I have  
assisted this quite a few times) who is not the baby's mom or dad gently but  
firmly holds the baby's head still so the doc can do the release. It usually  
takes about 2 seconds. Sometimes the deep, tight type 3s or 4s need a second  
snip to get through if it is webby rather than a simple anterior string of  
tissue. 
 
Hope that is helpful.
Peace,
Judy
 
 
Judy LeVan  Fram, PT, IBCLC, LLLL
Brooklyn, NY, USA



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