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> 1. IBCLCs
> 2. ibclc education and role
> 3. Just a reminder...
> 4. sulking
> 5. Reimbursement
> 6. off topic posts
> 7. IBCLC in Ecuador
> 8. lc needed in France
> 9. breast envy?
> 10. RN, IBCLC
> 11. eczema info thank you
> 12. Baby Paraphenalia
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> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:55:52 EDT
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: IBCLCs
>
> Whoa, Melissa -- you said:
>
>
> > Stop feeling so threatened by the rest of us and
> let's
> > get back to the job at hand. Perhaps some of the
> focus in educating the
> > public should just be that it doesn't matter who
> is helping as long as the
> > info is correct and the mom is nursing!
>
> This discussion started out based on how to be
> recognized and paid for the
> work we do, particularly since many mothers do not
> want to pay out of pocket
> and insurance companies don't recognize our work for
> what it is. I don't
> believe anyone indicated they were "threatened" by
> anyone else. You said in
> a post a few days ago that you are fortunate in that
> your husband makes a
> good living, so basically it doesn't matter if you
> are paid or not for the
> breastfeeding work you are doing (I'm not quoting --
> I'm giving the gist of
> your comment). Melissa, that's great for you -- and
> I'm glad you can do
> that. However, not many that are in this field can
> afford to not make a
> living at doing what they love -- or they have to do
> it on the side while
> they are being paid for doing another job.
>
> The issue at hand is not whose best and whose not
> best or educating the
> public -- the issue at hand is how can we make
> IBCLCs professional *enough*
> that they are being paid what they are worth and
> recognized by the payors as
> worthy of being paid.
>
> As for not medicalizing breastfeeding -- hey -- I'm
> all for it, and will be
> delighted to see a decrease in the medicalization of
> breastfeeding, which I
> can assure you will happen just as soon as
> childbirth is demedicalized.
>
> Jan Barger, RN, MA, IBCLC
> Wheaton IL
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:03:32 -0400
> From: laurie wheeler <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: ibclc education and role
>
> I agree with Sharon's vision of the ibclc
> credential. I believe it will
> eventually come via a university program. I'll admit
> I come from a
> mainstream medical education (nursing). I think that
> the vast majority of
> moms and babies do not need to see an ibclc and have
> mother to mother
> support there for them. I don't think that an ibclc
> needs to see all bf moms
> in the hospital. If the hospital were baby friendly
> with mother to mother
> support in place, the whole culture and milieu would
> be conducive to bf.
> Therefore, the ibclc is there for the specialized
> (read difficult,
> challenging, and multifaceted) bf problems. This is
> not to say that LLLL's
> or other lay counselors cannot handle difficult,
> challenging situations. But
> rather, that is not the main thing that they do. The
> ibclc could also
> support normal bf, but this would not be the main
> thing they do. I don't
> think that being "specialized" in breastfeeding
> means that the LC loses
> sight of the counseling aspect of bf or the normalcy
> of bf. To the contrary,
> these would be an integral part of the LC's
> training. And of course to know
> about bf difficulties, the LC would have to have a
> great foundation in what
> is truly normal. I posted once that I thought the
> title should be something
> like Lactation Therapist or LT. Like an OT or PT who
> certainly knows,
> supports, and promotes normal functioning but mostly
> works with clients who
> are having problems or pathology.
> Respectfully,
> Laurie Wheeler, IBCLC, MN, RN
> Violet Louisiana, s.e. USA
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:43:07 -0600
> From: LC Mama <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Just a reminder...
>
> If anyone wants to join a non-IBCLC educators group,
> there is one, feel =
> free to email me if you are interested. Why do I
> get the feeling we =
> have had this conversation before??? TIC!!
>
> Off to do follow up with clients who are glad I take
> eggs from their =
> chickens as payment for services rendered.
>
> Melisa
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>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:16:12 -0300
> From: Jo-Anne and Carlos <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: sulking
>
> A few months ago, on another list, I promised I
> would tell people when I
> was sulking. So I think I need to go back to
> lurking and re-think this
> whole IBCLC thing. Thank goodness it is the
> International Year of the
> Volunteer and I know that many mothers value what we
> do, for no money at
> all.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:46:16 +0200
> From: Jean Ridler <[log in to unmask]>
>
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