I looked at the url given below in a BEE-L post.It is fairly sarcastic..It
starts out with this statement:

"Some people seriously do not believe in science, apparently because their
alleged faith in an alleged God is so weak that science threatens their
capacity for Faith."

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From: "Adrian M. Wenner" <[log in to unmask]>
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> On Dec 5, 2005, at 9:05 PM, Dick Allen wrote:
>
>> Here are some interesting remarks on Bumble Bee flight, faith, and
>> science:
>>
>> http://www.paghat.com/beeflight.html
>


The learned author of the above statement about God/faith/science might be
suprised to know that most of the founders of the modern scientific
diciplines were Bible-believing scientists.
Robert Oppenheimer, who was probably closer to being the
father of the A-bomb than anybody else, readily acknowledged the fact that
modern science was built on a biblical worldview (he was Jewish, but not
very
religious, as far as I know).  Being from North Alabama near
Huntsville and  feeling the rumble of blasts from the testing of the Saturn
rocket as a kid, the name Werhner Von Braun has some meaning to me. He was a
staunch creationist and promoted the teaching of creationism in school.  He
was incredulous when confronted by evolutionists. When asked what proof he
had there was a God, he responded that it was (I quote) "like asking to use
a flashlight to look at the sun." He absolutely did not believe in
evolution.
Look at the little honeybee, her wings beating hundreds of times per
second, her "software" having within it provision for teaching her how to
fly and how to respond to wind and rain and other environmental conditions.
Think of the immense complexity involved in the  programming of the
different behaviors that the bee develops as it goes  through different
functions in life, and how these must be coordinated with other honeybees in
the hive to be of any value. And these are only the fringe of the marvels
apparent at the macroscopic level. When you get down to the cellular level
you enter into a world of "machines" that absolutely transcends in scope and
sheer elegance anything that modern science is even close to producing.
How many tries in the evolutionary history of the honeybee did it take to
create these behaviors and wonderful characteristics of the honeybees
physiology?
Where is this evidence in the fossil record?  (The aforementioned author
says
that creationists believe that "the devil made fossils to fool us", perhaps
he also believes that creationists dug up all the transitionary forms to
destroy the devil's work!)  Also remember that the bees were having to adapt
to the flowering plants that are
alleged to have evolved "fairly recently" (supposedly a few million years
ago).
I was raised believing in evolution (fell for the molecules to monkey
diagram) and used to also have a kneejerk reaction of mockery (and pity at
times) to nonbelievers (in evolution).
The evolution of my  unbelief in evolution may have religious implications,
but is not predicated on "religious" suppositions.
One reason i am including this in BEE-L is that i often read here how this
and that characteristic might have evolved, without including one iota of
evidence (unless you include vivid imaginations ).
I hope you are open to another view, like Copernicus was, as he confronted
the Ptolemaic view of the universe embedded in the Church (as were other
Greek traditions.) I don't care to argue about this, but I would like to
make
my view known, as others have had the opportunity to do so here.
John Horton

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