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LISTSERV 17.02024-03-29T14:08:21ZPeter Borst2024-03-27T17:15:30-04:002024-03-27T17:15:30-04:00Re: Here is what CO2 levels look like in a hive in winterhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;58e0b35d.2403A few things worth mentioning.<br><br>Detected in Spain in 2005, N. ceranae presents a different epidemiological pattern and pathology compared to N. apis. It’s been called Vairimorpha ceranae since 2020. Bailey retired in 1982.<br><br>PLBEtienne Tardif2024-03-26T13:36:01-07:002024-03-26T13:36:01-07:00Re: Here is what CO2 levels look like in a hive in winterhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;a3a18e5e.2403On the solar (light) impact, All my entrances are shaded by a piece of<br>plywood until March when cleansing flights are more likely and solar<br>radiation offers enough energy for it to be beneficial. So the outside<br>warming was a true rapid air temperature warm up with no help from surface<br>solar heating.<br><br>I have found no link between Nosema and dysentery (outside the hive) in<br>general. My 2017 event where inside hive was covered in feces was<br>exacerbated by extreme honeydew honey and extreme cold with no cleansing<br>from late September until mid April. Nosema sick bees (an likely [...]Rob Hughes2024-03-26T11:53:40-04:002024-03-26T11:53:40-04:00Re: Here is what CO2 levels look like in a hive in winterhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;3e9be12d.2403Interesting data and observations. Was it bright and sunny when the bees came out and got chilled? I find that those 'ill advised sorties' tend to happen when it's especially bright and often after new snow when the reflectance is very high. Whether due just to the light intensity or maybe polarization (?) a number of bees seemingly cannot resist the urge to come out even if it's well below freezing. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-25T14:44:44-04:002024-03-25T14:44:44-04:00Re: Honey vs Maple Syruphttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;c3b9770c.2403> an acquired taste.<br><br>I visited the Finger Lakes of NY often as a kid, and one of my best memories is visiting a honey stand. We saw live bees at work and bought honey. I acquired the taste for buckwheat honey early on.<br><br>Maple syrup, on the other hand was as common as milk. My wife and her family don't like honey of any sort, being brought up on maple syrup only. I like all of it. I have an extensive honey collection from around the world. [...]Paul Hosticka2024-03-25T12:02:08-04:002024-03-25T12:02:08-04:00Re: Honey vs Maple Syruphttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;bfb81681.2403Not being an aficionado on maple syrup I don't know if there are varietal or regional variations. I am aware of the fact that there are many opinions, eh. My experience is not extensive but maple syrup and candy has not made me a fan. Honey on the other hand has many floral sources and a wide spectrum of flavor profiles. Starthistle, orange blossom or real sweet clover on good cakes is sublime. I consider myself an expert but as always more research is needed. On the other hand buckwheat honey on buckwheat cakes is at best an acquired taste. [...]Eugene Makovec2024-03-24T21:34:32-05:002024-03-24T21:34:32-05:00Re: Honey vs Maple Syruphttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;b55ab95b.2403>With Canada's strategic maple syrup reserve pancaking, will honey find a<br>home on pancakes?<br><br>Honey is so much better on pancakes to begin with, it's a no-brainer that<br>the Honey Board should advertise it as such.<br><br>> Some honies watered down a bit make an excellent pancake syrup.<br><br>I like it full strength. Part of the problem with maple syrup is that it's<br>too watery and makes the pancakes soggy. [...] Allen Dick2024-03-24T19:28:34-04:002024-03-24T19:28:34-04:00Re: Honey vs Maple Syruphttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;8d6890b0.2403Heating will make it run, but a little water changes the flavour quite surprisingly and may be more convenient for some purposes and some honies..Peter Borst2024-03-24T19:17:27-04:002024-03-24T19:17:27-04:00Re: Honey vs Maple Syruphttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;db1368a4.2403All you have to do is warm it and it flows just like maple syrup<br><br>PAllen Dick2024-03-24T18:57:13-04:002024-03-24T18:57:13-04:00Re: Honey vs Maple Syruphttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;b63fd6bf.2403Some honies watered down a bit make an excellent pancake syrup. I was amazed.James Fischer2024-03-24T18:54:24-04:002024-03-24T18:54:24-04:00Honey vs Maple Syruphttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;55df46d8.2403With Canada's strategic maple syrup reserve pancaking, will honey find a<br>home on pancakes?<br><br>Can honey do batter than maple syrup?<br><br>Can the Honey Board create an ad campaign that will make people flip over<br>honey on pancakes, or will the ads get panned?<br><br>Will the beekeeper associations just waffle over promotions?<br><br>https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/canadas-maple-syrup-reserve-almost-empty-as<br>-sap-season-at-risk-of-becoming-another-casualty/article_6f498bce-e788-11ee-<br>8773-c71464d8be74.html<br><br>https://tinyurl.com/3edyc6jp Peter Borst2024-03-24T15:54:27-04:002024-03-24T15:54:27-04:00For those Interested in Historyhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;59489b1c.2403Back in the 1960s, T.S.K. Johansson had recurring articles in "Bee World" with the title "For those Interested in History." I suppose this was an early example of a trigger warning. When I was in high school, those words would surely send me in another direction, being much more interested in the Arts and Science. [...]Etienne Tardif2024-03-24T13:42:56-04:002024-03-24T13:42:56-04:00Here is what CO2 levels look like in a hive in winterhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;27b60860.2403Chart Description:<br><br>Blue shaded area in back is CO2 level, orange line is entrance temperature, green line is temperature above cluster, light blue line is RH% and dark blue line is the outside temperature. Temp and rh use the right Y axis and CO2 uses the left Y axis. It’s a visual way to see how things relate to each other. You look for leading events and observe what happened subsequently. Examples here are human disturbances (i.e. adding a sensor), rapidly warming temperatures as well as steady state periods where nothing major is happening (used as baselines). I collected data [...]Randy Oliver2024-03-23T14:51:09-07:002024-03-23T14:51:09-07:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;465d766d.2403> I do it because it interests me and other people.<br>We thank you for that!<br><br>Randy Oliver<br>Grass Valley, CA<br>530 277 4450<br>ScientificBeekeeping.comPeter Borst2024-03-23T11:25:53-04:002024-03-23T11:25:53-04:00A royal road to wealthhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;d4a4a9a.2403Some things don't change that much. Wheeler Dennison Wright in a bulletin of the State Department of Agriculture published in 1913 says:<br><br>Beekeeping on a commercial scale is far from being a royal road to wealth as pictured by some, but requires as much labor, diligence and attention to details as many other lines of business. However, the thorough going apiarist, well adapted and educated to the business, given a good location and a favorable season, usually has no complaint to offer. As along other agricultural lines, weather conditions often exert an adverse influence and poor seasons intervene, which necessitate [...]Randy Oliver2024-03-22T19:59:34-07:002024-03-22T19:59:34-07:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;6d30344a.2403> But NOWHERE in his book does he ever mention any beekeeper being paid for<br>pollinating crops.<br><br>Some years ago I sold bees to an old beekeeper in California, who<br>remembered the first time that he asked to be paid for pollinating almonds<br>-- 25 cents per hive.<br>When I started in the early '80s, I was getting about $10 per hive. I<br>remember the year when I got $18, and thought that I'd died and gone to<br>heaven!<br>Varroa and then Nosema ceranae made almond pollination far more profitable. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-22T16:44:39-04:002024-03-22T16:44:39-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;accfb553.2403> But view as useful authoritative wisdom and practical practices?<br><br>Honestly, this entirely misses the point. I don't do research to dig up new ideas, I do it because it interests me and other people. If it doesn't interest some people they don't have to look.<br><br>PLBJames Fischer2024-03-22T11:30:48-04:002024-03-22T11:30:48-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;bdc1a7c5.2403Because honey bees were not being utilized primarily for pollination prior to 1940-something, very little written prior to that date is relevant to today's modern operation, which eschews honey production for increased pollination efficiency, and attempts to remedy the inevitable decline of queens and hives over time, rather than the explosive growth of "pre-invasive-exotic pests and pathogens" beekeeping. (I'll not go as far as George Imire intoned, stating that "Pre-Varroa beekeeping books are USELESS!", his advice was cogent for the novice.) [...]Peter Borst2024-03-22T10:04:46-04:002024-03-22T10:04:46-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;5a924df0.2403> Quotes from old forgotten books written in days decades before air-ride trailers, 1000-mile migration moves,<br><br>Of course, nobody moved bees for pollination. It wasn't even understood that bees were needed for pollination in the 1800s. In fact, growers were at war with beekeepers, being convinced that the bees damaged the fruit. [...]James Fischer2024-03-21T18:20:11-04:002024-03-21T18:20:11-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;6cfc623c.2403While some bees were moved by train, some even by barge as early as the 1800s:<br><br>(a) "over 1000 miles" is just a bit of an exaggeration for everything but Mississippi barges, and even they likely moved only along a fraction of the length of the entire river<br><br>(b) that movement by train and barge was NOT for commercial pollination [...]Michel BOCQUET2024-03-20T12:47:57+00:002024-03-20T12:47:57+00:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;257d2049.2403Hi <br>We are practicing hemolymph analisis (like a Blood test) for some years now.<br>We built a special kit to help the collection : a microcapillary is inserted between two tergites of the abdomen, near the bee heart and the hemolymph is coming by capillarity. then we blow the hemolymph (about 1-5 microliters) in a coated tube avoiding melanization. We apply then, for a single individual, a mass spectrometry method we name Maldi Bee-Typing, wich gives a profile of the haemolymph's peptides (600-18 000 Da). We can see the major peptides of bee immunity (Abaecin, Apidaecin, Defensin, hymenoptaecin) and some [...]Peter Borst2024-03-20T08:15:01-04:002024-03-20T08:15:01-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;2b9202f6.2403> days decades before ... 1000-mile migration moves<br><br>When was that? People have been moving bees over 1000 miles since the 1800s using trains. An article in the JULY 1924 ABJ titled COMBINING CALIFORNIA AND UTAH BEE PASTURAGE:<br><br>> The first man to find out that the ideal is a combination of two states was Nephi Miller, of Provo, Utah, and Colton, California. He has nine winter locations, many of them in low, swampy land full of willow bloom, by the Santa Ana river. When he first bought his twenty acres, in 1911, such land was worth only $10 an [...]Gustav Palan2024-03-20T04:29:57-04:002024-03-20T04:29:57-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;6cdbc6b3.2403I have a question. Is there such a thing as bee hemolymph analysis? Is there a comprehensible laboratory exercise that teaches step by step the collection of bee hemolymph and the analysis of its basic components? Then, as a result, a comparison table with values of normal and outside the range of a healthy individual? [...]James Fischer2024-03-19T22:47:25-04:002024-03-19T22:47:25-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;e180a813.2403> I generally try to avoid flooding these pages with personal anecdotes...<br><br>Quotes from old forgotten books written in days decades before air-ride trailers, 1000-mile migration moves, varroa, and 50,000 hive operations are personal anecdotes retold.<br><br>Even the purported science of days gone by is, at best the mere observational notes of an individual, and thereby, an anecdote retold. [...]Paul Hosticka2024-03-19T11:27:02-04:002024-03-19T11:27:02-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;1a6cfd92.2403I was at the ABF meeting when Dr. Ramsey presented his paper showing that his work found that varroa fed PRIMARILY on fat body. I had a short conversation with him after and told him I was amazed to learn that we had been so wrong for so long. I even remember posting to this list on the subject and hoping that it would lead to new research on control methods. Sadly as of yet that has not been the case. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-19T10:38:43-04:002024-03-19T10:38:43-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;2bd192e8.2403I generally try to avoid flooding these pages with personal anecdotes, which some may find entertaining but others not so much.<br><br>Quoting Frank Zappa “Without deviation from the norm, ‘progress’ is not possible,” but “In order for one to deviate successfully, one has to have at least a passing acquaintance with whatever norm one expects to deviate from.” [...]James Fischer2024-03-18T19:31:32-04:002024-03-18T19:31:32-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;34baf985.2403Once again, one need read no further than the title of the paper to plainly see that there are many different ways to describe what varroa does to bees, and that any complete answer is likely to be "book length", given the large number of qualifications and edge conditions to mention. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-18T13:10:47-04:002024-03-18T13:10:47-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;6a72bcd1.2403> While feeding on adult bees, dispersing V. destructor feed on the abdominal membranes to access to the fat body as reported previously. However, when V. destructor feed on honey bee pupae during their reproductive stage, they primarily consume hemolymph, indicated by wound analysis, preferential transfer of biostains, and a proteomic comparison between parasite and host tissues. [...]Jose Villa2024-03-18T11:18:33-04:002024-03-18T11:18:33-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;8a798df8.2403It would be an informative adventure (largely academic) to either calculate or measure the tax of parasitism (as in nutrients robbed) via feeding on haemolymph vs. gnawing on fat bodies. It could be that what a developing family of a male and its sisters takes from the feeding wound opened by the mother mite, probably most likely from haemolymph, is as much or more than what an adult female mite takes to keep itself fed and produce batches of eggs. [...]James Fischer2024-03-18T10:19:54-04:002024-03-18T10:19:54-04:00Re: Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;9713cd1c.2403It sits just fine for those who read the paper.<br><br>Jim in "Huckleberry Finn" wisely said "Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits."<br><br>I don't think that Ramsey, et al over stated their case in the least, and the critique by McArt of Cornell misses the mark.<br><br>First, the paper is here:<br>https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1818371116 [...]James Wilkes2024-03-18T09:18:57-04:002024-03-18T09:18:57-04:00Re: BEE-KEEPERS NEED THE SCIENTISThttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;1c292e69.2403><br>> it is risky to have bee scientists who do not have a close relationship<br>> with beekeeping!<br>><br><br>It is risky to have bee technology creators who do not have a close<br>relationship with beekeeping.<br><br>>Peter Borst2024-03-17T20:15:05-04:002024-03-17T20:15:05-04:00Didn’t sit quite righthttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;d0a71b0a.2403> Until 2019, everyone knew varroa was a vampire that fed on honey bee hemolymph. But then Sammy Ramsey published his paradigm altering study, showing varroa was actually more like a werewolf since it fed primarily on the fat bodies of adult honey bees.<br><br>> But this paradigm shift didn’t sit quite right with some researchers. Ramsey’s study was excellent, but some people felt the full feeding situation across all mite and bee life stages might be a bit more complex. ... hemolymph is indeed the primary dietary source for reproductive-stage varroa. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-17T10:32:40-04:002024-03-17T10:32:40-04:00Re: BEE-KEEPERS NEED THE SCIENTISThttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;7512af24.2403"Bee-Keepers Need the Scientist," says Arthur C. Miller in the Bee-Keepers' Review. It is too often the case that a beekeeper of very limited experience puts that limited experience against the conclusions of the ablest scientist, rating the investigations of the scientist as something misty and unreal. —Mar 12, 1903. American Bee Journal [...]pilgrimz2024-03-17T00:46:04+00:002024-03-17T00:46:04+00:00Re: New Market - Honey as a Pizza "Seasoning"https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;9f89bdf3.2403Yeah, Spicy honey! I tried a hot honey. I didn’t like itJames Fischer2024-03-16T18:45:34-04:002024-03-16T18:45:34-04:00New Market - Honey as a Pizza "Seasoning"https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;43b745ea.2403Go ahead and laugh, but you heard it here first - people are putting honey<br>on pizza, and they like it like that. Peter Borst2024-03-15T10:02:05-04:002024-03-15T10:02:05-04:00Re: BEE-KEEPERS NEED THE SCIENTISThttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;b5954a36.2403continuing<br><br>The scientist differs from the ordinary observer and student in degree rather than in method. The former proceeds with caution ; testing, trying and weighing each step of his experiments; makes his observations as abundant as possible; compares the results of his work with those of others, when possible; and thus deduces from these what he believes to the " laws." [...]Gustav Palan2024-03-15T04:31:20-04:002024-03-15T04:31:20-04:00The death of pine trees in the EU - phase IIhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;e73c30c.2403After a large die-off of pine trees in the forests, when they rusted and dried up, another parasite is spreading through the European Union, which from afar and in size resembles large hornet nests at the ends of branches.<br><br>This is a huge number of nests of white silk, which are already located on many thousands of hectares of pine trees. [...]Nick Wallingford2024-03-15T08:15:12+13:002024-03-15T08:15:12+13:00Re: BEE-L in the early years...https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;23e0de40.2403On 15/03/24 08:02, Peter Borst wrote:<br>> The current archives are complete starting with a post from Aaron in July 1989.<br><br>I would expect that is all of them, then. My set started some time in<br>1989, and now that I look at the archives I think that was all of them.<br><br>Maybe I can put off cleaning out the garage for a bit longer. [...]Nick Wallingford2024-03-15T07:49:35+13:002024-03-15T07:49:35+13:00BEE-L in the early years...https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;fe059f2a.2403I subbed to BEE-L when I first got Internet access in 1992 I think it<br>was. About 10 years later, when I did my master's thesis, I faced a<br>supervisor who was bound and determined that my work should be<br>qualitative. So naturally, I picked quantitative with a vengeance.<br><br>Aaron Morris provided me with the postings of the 12 years of BEE-L, I<br>think it was. Something around 35,000 msgs. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-14T16:06:41-04:002024-03-14T16:06:41-04:00BEE-KEEPERS NEED THE SCIENTISThttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;df2dd31d.2403BEE-KEEPERS NEED THE SCIENTIST<br>They Should have Toleration even for Purely Scientific Theorizing.<br><br>Will the scoffer venture to say science is a waste of time to the practical man? Think of the hours, aye weeks, of time he would have saved both in reading and experiments, could he have had scientific methods applied to his problem years ago. [...]Allen Dick2024-03-14T15:05:31-04:002024-03-14T15:05:31-04:00Re: BEE-L in the early years...https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;4f8d438c.2403This link works.<br>https://qwerty.geek.nz/nickw/dissertation/08.htm#84Peter Borst2024-03-14T15:02:38-04:002024-03-14T15:02:38-04:00Re: BEE-L in the early years...https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;fb497313.2403The current archives are complete starting with a post from Aaron in July 1989. There are messages with earlier dates but that appears to be because of incorrect time stamps originating on the OP's machine.<br><br>PLBJames Fischer2024-03-13T14:16:03-04:002024-03-13T14:16:03-04:00Re: It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;c12c93e1.2403> How about fogging that mineral oil, anyhow?<br>> Sugar dusting anyone?<br><br>That just made it MUCH worse!!!Allen Dick2024-03-13T12:55:46-04:002024-03-13T12:55:46-04:00Re: It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;36e619e8.2403The number of undelivered and/or junked emails was increasing and thus the subject line. It was getting worse and, I thought, worth mentioning.<br><br>I had a discussion with L-Soft and have not seen any such rejections since, so who knows? Support thought that it might be our use of TinyURLs since spammers use them to conceal the real targets, so I mentioned how quotes to protect URLs had stopped working. Maybe that feature will begin to work again? [...]Peter Borst2024-03-13T11:51:16-04:002024-03-13T11:51:16-04:00Re: It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;213dad3c.2403A quick search shows Adam posting at Mon, 3 May 1993 21:02:29 -0500<br><br>Ironically, he listed his full name, address, phone number and email. Who does that anymore?!<br><br>PeteJames Fischer2024-03-13T09:40:26-04:002024-03-13T09:40:26-04:00Re: It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;1fe793da.2403First and foremost, nothing is "getting worse" other than yet another mail-bounce issue, we have had hundreds of such incidents in my memory, all of them resolved by asserting the non-commercial and completely benign nature of the list to the acolytes and priests who run the mail servers.<br><br>Dunno what Apple's doing, but they are apparently not blocking 100% of Bee-L traffic, so there may have had a subscriber who could not work out how to unsubscribe, and reported the mail as spam to an overly-aggressive apple mail-filtering process.<br>(A link to the web page that explains how to do [...]William Bagwell2024-03-13T09:39:24-04:002024-03-13T09:39:24-04:00Re: It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;877b51b0.2403> BeeSource went the other way, sold advertising and is well funded, so<br>> they probably don't have the problems we do. They also don't have<br>> moderators,<br><br>Barry sold BeeSource to Vertical Scope (Now Fora) some years back. So<br>funding is not a problem. Lingering bad reputation from the TF wars is.<br>Currently four volunteer moderators, one a moderator/admin and Fora<br>provides a full Admin when needed. Fora controls the bad word filter and<br>will not share the list with the mods. [...] Frank Wright2024-03-13T08:30:02-04:002024-03-13T08:30:02-04:00Re: It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;f057f1d5.2403We are becoming more and more the victim of artificial intelligence filters, some of which are designed to exploit us in many ways and others, supposedly to protect us from the "bad" ones. It would take a lot of personal hours to read and vet every post; as Allen mentions, that too, can be problematic. [...]Allen Dick2024-03-13T01:08:13-04:002024-03-13T01:08:13-04:00Re: Propolis processinghttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;7dfe5d59.2403All I can say is that if you plan to ramp up production far beyond you current levels, make sure you have a big enough deposit to cover your base costs and/or an irrevocable lettter of credit.<br><br>And if you are dealing with the Japanese plan on some sleepless nights with urgent faxes (or maybe email now) and starting all over again at the start with the person on the next level up, just when you think you have a deal. [...]Allen Dick2024-03-13T01:01:25-04:002024-03-13T01:01:25-04:00Re: It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;b6db2720.2403BEE-L as I know it goes back to the nineties here on the Internet. Before that public bee discussions were on various dialups. The world was much simpler then, and Adam's sci.agriculture.beekeeping on USENET was the only other public *Internet* beekeeping venue I can recall. Andy had his bulletin board and there were other dial ups as well. [...]Juanse Barros2024-03-13T01:43:21-03:002024-03-13T01:43:21-03:00Propolis processinghttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;324e0ac5.2403Hi everyone<br><br>My wife and I are very keen on propolis and have been using it for the past<br>20 or so years. We have set up a processing system in the traditional way.<br>Macerating for a long time (over 15 days) in 70% alcohol, filtering and<br>finally evaporating the alcohol to get a softextract that we call 100%<br>propolis. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-12T22:51:57-04:002024-03-12T22:51:57-04:00Re: It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;afe92fec.2403I believe that Bee-L was started using a basic messaging system called Tel-Net. People in the Universities could message each other using the existing resources. In the early 90s the public began to get access but it was pay by the minute. Bee-L was hosted for many years by the NY University at Albany. I am not going into why it left that system but it came to be that L-Soft agreed to host it. [...]Frank Wright2024-03-12T11:47:48-04:002024-03-12T11:47:48-04:00Re: It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;7ef3a271.2403I dont know the history of how and why this site is hosted: it seems dated in regards to its user friendliness?<br>Could there perhaps be a bit of an update as to why we are where we are.Allen Dick2024-03-12T09:18:08-04:002024-03-12T09:18:08-04:00Re: It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;f4bd445d.2403Every day there are a few temporary rejections for "Too many hops", "mailbox full", etc., that fade out after a few day, but this new Apple thing looks more ominous.<br><br>For those who wish to investigate further, the rejection message for those in the Apple camp is as follows.<br><br>Message rejected due to<br>local policy. Please visit<br>https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204137 [...]Allen Dick2024-03-12T08:56:02-04:002024-03-12T08:56:02-04:00It is Getting Worsehttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;599a717d.2403Today I see 18 rejections.<br><br>That means 18 members are either not getting their BEE-L messages or the messages are being diverted to junk folders.<br><br>Heads-up. This could be a canary in the coalmine suggesting that other, more important messages are being similarly suppressed.Peter Borst2024-03-11T17:37:20-04:002024-03-11T17:37:20-04:00Re: the “city-as-hive”https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;ce29ff5f.2403The work I quoted previously was a reprint of SUSANNE K. LANGER (1958) "Man and Animal: The City and the Hive," which she read at the Cooper Union in the centenary celebration, in case anyone is interested...<br><br>More along that line<br><br>> The dystopian beehive is viewed as mechanical and inhuman. However, the utopian version is counterintuitively just as inhuman, because it analogically takes insect society as its model for human social organizations.—REBECCA JEAN LIPPERINI (2020) [...]Peter Borst2024-03-11T15:25:39-04:002024-03-11T15:25:39-04:00Re: Blind Censorship?https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;493619b4.2403> I found 2 Peter Borst posts in my junk folder<br><br>At least you know where to find me<br><br>PeteAllen Dick2024-03-11T12:39:39-04:002024-03-11T12:39:39-04:00Re: Blind Censorship?https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;e6ee6c8.2403I received this useful information privately. Be aware, and check your junk folder if you care.<br><br>> I found 2 Peter Borst posts in my junk folder including the one referenced in your message. I received one BEE-L post from James Fischer. I also received the Zoom webinar invite.<br><br>> me.com is an Apple associated serverPeter Borst2024-03-11T09:48:39-04:002024-03-11T09:48:39-04:00Re: Blind Censorship?https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;4a3ddc42.2403Must be because I mentioned the "political thought of Plato."<br><br>I read all the messages online, so nothing is censored (except by the moderators, of course).<br><br>PeteAllen Dick2024-03-11T05:09:47-04:002024-03-11T05:09:47-04:00Blind Censorship?https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;21fdfad2.2403I see a raft of rejections today.<br><br>Those of you with the various Apple-associated email accounts, and me.com, TDS.net, and WN.com.au, might want to consider finding unfiltered providers if you don't want some 'bot deciding what you can and cannot read.<br><br>If they are rejecting innocuous BEE-L messages like those that are copied below due to "local policy', without informing you, what personal messages are they discarding? [...]Peter Borst2024-03-10T18:00:58-04:002024-03-10T18:00:58-04:00the “city-as-hive”https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;7615ea40.2403The ramifications of the “city-as-hive” are underscored by philosopher Susanne Langer, who reminds her readers of significant disanalogies between cities and hives:<br><br>“Its citizens are the whole and only individuals. They are not a “living mass,” like a swarm of semi-individuated bees. The model of the hive has brought with it the concept of human masses, to be cared for in times of peace, deployed in times of war, educated for use or sacrificed for the higher good of their state. In the specious analogy of animal and human society, the hive and the city, lies, I think, the basic [...]Pat2024-03-10T14:53:57+00:002024-03-10T14:53:57+00:00March 12 Honey Bee Nutrition-Dr. Priya Basu, Honeybee Health Coalitionhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;2ea0930a.2403You are invited to a Zoom webinar.When: Mar 12, 2024 07:30 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada)<br>Topic: Honey Bee Nutrition-Dr. Priya Basu, Honeybee Health Coalition<br>Register in advance for this webinar:<br>https://tinyurl.com/224agznv<br>https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_eoRrq6N9Sdu0hRfkXP-aOQJames Fischer2024-03-09T13:26:42-05:002024-03-09T13:26:42-05:00Relative Humidity Hits "100%" in Southern Chinahttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;de07adbe.2403In school, we were taught that a humidity of "100%" is impossible to attain,<br>because at that level, the water will condense out of the air spontaneously.<br><br>Well, now we can see what that looks like - seeing is believing:<br><br>"<br>https://www.scmp.com/video/china/3254521/relative-humidity-hits-100-southern<br>-china "<br><br>https://tinyurl.com/ydenrsj6<br><br>The question for beekeepers in all this end-times apocalyptic weather is:<br><br>Will the bees continue to fan air, in an attempt to evaporate nectar, even<br>though this effort can only make the nectar MORE dilute? [...] Allen Dick2024-03-09T13:01:48-05:002024-03-09T13:01:48-05:00https://tinyurl.com/apphttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;7ffeb731.2403Long URLs posted to BEE-L do not work. anymore and enclosing them in quotes has stopped working.<br><br>The LISTSERV software breaks URLs longer than one line length and renders them useless.<br><br>Visit https://tinyurl.com/app and shorten long URLs and post the short version along with the original (which will not work but shows the source) [...]Peter Borst2024-03-09T12:13:47-05:002024-03-09T12:13:47-05:00Chlorella for bees.https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;4aa91d1d.2403I wonder if anyone has heard of this:<br><br>> feeding bees with sugar syrup with the addition of citric acid, the level of profitability increases by 0.95%, honey candy with the addition of quail eggs – by 16.43%, and sugar syrup with the addition of a suspension of microalgae "Live Chlorella" – by 18.13% compared to feeding pure sugar syrup. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-08T12:25:32-05:002024-03-08T12:25:32-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;5449f2ae.2403I think this is interesting, though not new<br><br>> We provide evidence that honey bees surviving in the face of parasitic mites do so through their abilities to resist the presence of devastating viruses vectored by these mites. In all cases, the most divergence between stocks was seen when bees were exposed to live mites or viruses, suggesting that gene activation, rather than constitutive expression, is key for these interactions. By revealing responses to viral infection and mite parasitism in different lineages, our data identify candidate proteins for the evolution of mite tolerance and virus resistance.—Weaver et al. (2021). Multi-tiered [...]Peter Borst2024-03-08T12:22:43-05:002024-03-08T12:22:43-05:00Re: Two Thingshttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;e2928ad6.2403> Of course some supplements work for some people and are may be harmful for others. Does that even need debate?<br><br>Apparently it does. Granted, the dose makes the poison, but some things are just poisonous and don't belong in the diet. We have discussed hormesis here on several occasions, so I don't need to be reminded of that. Given all the toxins we take in on a regular basis, why add more? I am not saying vitamins are toxic per se; only a waste of money. If you want the placebo effect, fill your vitamin jar with jelly beans, [...]Peter Borst2024-03-07T23:10:10-05:002024-03-07T23:10:10-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;e7dd1714.2403Years ago, I was down in NYC visiting small gardens where people had hives. One person asked me what things I gave to my bees. Nothing, I said. You don't take a lot of supplements, do you? I asked. Of course I do, was the reply. End of conversation.<br><br>I have always believed that proper nutrition precludes the necessity for vitamins, supplements, etc. both in myself and my bees. I understand that people think they need to "do more." It's a psychological thing not borne out by fact. [...]Allen Dick2024-03-07T22:23:01-05:002024-03-07T22:23:01-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;ea8989c7.2403> The Iowa Women’s Health Study<br><br>Fascinating, really. An heroic effort, and written in plain language for the most part.<br><br>Although it can give a general idea, it cannot tell any specific individual whether the risk applies or not.<br><br>Some of the supplements seemed to harm quite a few people judging by the death rate, but we don't know why these people were taking the supplement. Could it have been because they had a fatal condition that was actally being improved by the pill? [...]Allen Dick2024-03-07T13:50:49-05:002024-03-07T13:50:49-05:00Two Thingshttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;1678c3e9.24031. ) URLs no longer wrap well and quote marks don't help anymore, so URLs *must* be accompanied by a truncated version using https://www.tinyurl.com or a similar method or be rejected awaiting a corrected version.<br><br>* * * *<br><br>2.) Generally speaking, generalities are--at best, partly true -- and often as not quite wrong. [...]Paul Hosticka2024-03-07T13:21:06-05:002024-03-07T13:21:06-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;fd6f08c5.2403Perhaps a contrarian view, this is BEE-L after all.<br><br>There are many conflicting incentives in bee research. Ike warned us of the "Industrial military complex". We are now (IMHO) suffering from the academic institutional complex visavee bee research. What serious beekeepers want is answers that they can take to the yard and solve problems. What academics want is funding and in order to obtain that they need to convince, most often the government but sometimes private institutions that they have a project worthy of support. With the "bees are dying" crisis that had its roots with the introduction of varroa [...]James Fischer2024-03-07T12:56:36-05:002024-03-07T12:56:36-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;aec029dc.2403> To calm my adoring wife's concerns, and maintain marital bliss, I take a daily and utterly superfluous "Mature Multivitamin"<br><br>>> You could mention this:<br>>> most of the supplements studied were not associated with a reduced total mortality rate in older women....<br><br>I am not so suicidal as to use the term "older" to describe any female beekeeper in possession of a sharpened hive tool. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-07T10:48:28-05:002024-03-07T10:48:28-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;3b343741.2403> To calm my adoring wife's concerns, and maintain marital bliss, I take a daily and utterly superfluous "Mature Multivitamin"<br><br>You could mention this:<br>> most of the supplements studied were not associated with a reduced total mortality rate in older women. In contrast, we found that several commonly used dietary vitamin and mineral supplements, including multivitamins, vitamins B6, and folic acid, as well as minerals iron, magnesium, zinc, and copper, were associated with a higher risk of total mortality. *Of particular concern, supplemental iron was strongly and dose dependently associated with increased total mortality risk. *—Dietary Supplements and Mortality [...]James Fischer2024-03-07T07:50:33-05:002024-03-07T07:50:33-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;51e1eeef.2403> "Here we show that non-native probiotics marketed as a beneficial medicine for honey bees have no effect on pathogen prevalence or the honey bee gu microbiome."<br><br>> This is on par with research that has shown that multi-vitamins for humans are essentially a waste of money.<br><br>But this was not a "negative result" at all - the paper was clearly aimed at refuting and debunking pseudo-science and the "woo" surrounding pro-biotics in beekeeping. [...]Gustav Palan2024-03-07T02:34:09-05:002024-03-07T02:34:09-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;7990b085.2403>> Here we show that non-native probiotics marketed as a beneficial medicine for honey bees have no effect on pathogen prevalence or the honey bee gut microbiome.<br>><br>We have researchers in the Czech Republic who have been practicing inoculation and distribution of yeast from the internal biofilm of bees for some time. She is a specialist in this issue and is very active. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-06T19:10:44-05:002024-03-06T19:10:44-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;6855e764.2403> Getting a negative result published is essentially impossible.<br><br>perhaps you did not notice my previous post: Oliver, R. (2024). A longitudinal field study of commercial honey bees shows that non-native probiotics do not rescue antibiotic treatment, and are generally not beneficial. "www.nature.com/scientificreports"<br><br>> Here we show that non-native probiotics marketed as a beneficial medicine for honey bees have no effect on pathogen prevalence or the honey bee gut microbiome. [...]Gustav Palan2024-03-06T18:26:48-05:002024-03-06T18:26:48-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;295817d1.2403All normal research ends with a patent that is paid. The limits of science? Money. Correctly? So why doesn't science start researching life without money, maybe it would eventually help the bees too.<br><br>Gustav PalanJames Fischer2024-03-06T16:26:19-05:002024-03-06T16:26:19-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;5459da00.2403> even dead ends are valuable, so that we can stop wasting our time on things<br><br>Getting a negative result published is essentially impossible. Archiving the dataset, metadata, and other "supplemental materials" from such a negative result so that others can see what one did is NEVER funded, so it is even more difficult than "impossible". [...]James Fischer2024-03-06T15:48:07-05:002024-03-06T15:48:07-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;34554242.2403I did not want to mention the many beekeepers who have participated in research projects since the 1940s, volunteered colonies for what is likely to be "certain death", and often been the driving force behind asking the question, and working out how to make the bees answer.<br><br>None of any of what I spoke of is their fault, of course.Randy Oliver2024-03-06T12:40:30-08:002024-03-06T12:40:30-08:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;9443b1f6.2403There are millions of dollars carefully given (or thrown at) bee<br>researchers and their labs each year. Most of it results in little or no<br>immediate benefit to beekeepers.<br>But that is not to say that some very good research does get done, some of<br>which is of direct benefit to beekeepers.<br><br>I've been a reviewer for research proposals for many years. Yes, many are<br>fishing expeditions, so reviewers are often asked about their opinion for<br>chance of gaining useful knowledge or practical application (depending upon<br>the funding group or agency. I have a long list of unanswered questions re<br> [...]Peter Borst2024-03-06T13:57:23-05:002024-03-06T13:57:23-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;9d83d709.2403Seriously folks, we would be wrong to neglect to mention the monumental work of Randy Oliver, including the recent<br><br>Anderson, K. E., Allen, N. O., Copeland, D. C., Kortenkamp, O. L., Erickson, R., Mott, B. M., & Oliver, R. (2024). A longitudinal field study of commercial honey bees shows that non-native probiotics do not rescue antibiotic treatment, and are generally not beneficial.<br>www.nature.com/scientificreports [...]James Fischer2024-03-06T13:20:54-05:002024-03-06T13:20:54-05:00Re: Project Apis m. Now Hiring Research Program Directohttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;2e19d25c.2403> What has all the money spent on research actually accomplished of practical value in the past decade or two?<br><br>See the summary published in 2019 of what at least two members of the state and federal-funded research community thought was worthy of note.<br><br>Work at this level goes slowly, because (a) it is almost impossible to get good data about honey bees in short periods (b) many of the most important questions are answered only over a multi-year period, and (c) funding for something that will take multiple years is incredibly difficult to get, and when obtained is often [...]Peter Borst2024-03-06T13:07:57-05:002024-03-06T13:07:57-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;2c431fc.2403I checked with Google.<br><br>> No results found for "benefits of honey bee research".<br><br>That settles it! Just kidding. That's why I don't use Google to find stuff out.<br><br>PetePeter Borst2024-03-06T13:03:03-05:002024-03-06T13:03:03-05:00Re: bee-l data set for training AI LLMs?https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;10460af0.2403> Thoughts?<br><br>The more information these scrapers gather, the more confused they'll be. Not all information has equal valuer, that's why there are editors in the world.<br><br>PeteTracey Smith2024-03-06T12:59:17-05:002024-03-06T12:59:17-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;f42522d2.2403The contributions of Gro Amdam, who did her PhD with Omholt, are chronically underacknowledged. I'd invite everyone to spend a few minutes looking into her research career. Over the last 25 years, she's done basic research around vitellogenin that has laid the foundation for our current understanding of the the physiological mechanisms behind age polyethism, the impact of varroa mites on bee physiology, and trans-generational immune priming and vaccines. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-06T12:59:03-05:002024-03-06T12:59:03-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;76b8bb35.2403> it builds a knowledge base and a trains a whole bunch of people on how to do science.<br><br>It seems odd to say, but even the money spent on dead ends yields a benefit. Having pursued a dead end, the researcher can alert others "don't go there." On the other hand, I feel that personally I have benefited from the Bee-Informed Partnership. I remember when Dennis VE was first starting it, he said there are a lot of beekeepers who are keeping their bees alive and a lot who aren't. We need to get the info from the one [...]James Fischer2024-03-06T11:55:40-05:002024-03-06T11:55:40-05:00Re: bee-l data set for training AI LLMs?https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;5822f3d7.2403> Makes me wonder about using the bee-l archive (and perhaps other forums) to train the LLMs (large language models).<br><br>I've worked in this area of inquiry since the days when we thought Prolog was a good way to make "AI", and endless debates between "PL/1" and "PL/M", two now-defunct languages, occupied most of Comp.Sci.Languages on UseNet, and spilled over into a completely separate BitNet-only group that Yale started. [...]Allen Dick2024-03-06T10:52:23-05:002024-03-06T10:52:23-05:00Re: Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;5d10bdeb.2403Of course *any* activity whatsoever has a chance of turning up something of great future value.<br><br>Is there any evidence that Bee Science (BS as Andy called it) turns up more of value than the activity of everyday beekeepers?<br><br>My understanding is that bee scientists very often, maybe most often, get their insights from beekeepers. [...]James Wilkes2024-03-06T10:42:10-05:002024-03-06T10:42:10-05:00bee-l data set for training AI LLMs?https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;172364ac.2403Recent reports indicate OpenAI is nearing a deal with Automaticc, the<br>parent company of Tublr and WordPress, to use those platforms' large user<br>data sets as training sets.<br><br>Makes me wonder about using the bee-l archive (and perhaps other forums) to<br>train the LLMs (large language models).<br><br>Thoughts?rcryberg@yahoo.com2024-03-06T15:18:31+00:002024-03-06T15:18:31+00:00Money spent on researchhttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;f06e494a.2403In general money spent on research can best be viewed largely as building fundamental knowledge bases and the cost of education of future generations. Relatively little basic research yields profitable new inventions near term. Yet, if that money was not spent in the past there are all kinds of things that would not exist today that we take for granted and view as indispensable. Just to give one example consider the smart phones we have today. We have these devices because of a whole cascade of past academic research efforts that lead to things as diverse as lasers, transistors and [...]Allen Dick2024-03-06T09:25:10-05:002024-03-06T09:25:10-05:00Re: Project Apis m. Now Hiring Research Program Directohttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;cb808b5c.2403I'm curious.<br><br>What has all the money spent on research actually accomplished of practical value in the past decade or two?<br><br>I'm not saying it does not return value, merely asking for examples.Allen Dick2024-03-06T09:21:53-05:002024-03-06T09:21:53-05:00Project Apis m. Now Hiring Research Program Directohttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;6d14fe64.2403Since 2006, PAm has been a go-to nonprofit supporting relevant, impactful work on behalf of the beekeeping industry and honey bee health. Over the years we have funded over $12 million of honey bee research and $2.9 million in forage programs-and we are growing!<br><br>To help us continue our mission, we are now seeking to add a Research Program Director to our team. This is an exciting new role for someone who is invested in working with beekeepers and wants to drive progress through impactful research. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-04T22:09:50-05:002024-03-04T22:09:50-05:00Re: 100 years agohttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;a5951639.2403There is a sort of tradition in the village, that the climate has undergone a degree of change since the arrival of the first colonists ; the springs are said to have become more uncertain, and the summers less warm ; so say elderly people who knew the place forty years since. But there may be some self-deception in the case, for we are naturally more apt to feel the frost of today, than that of last year, and memory may very possibly have softened the climate to those who look back from age to youth.—Susan Fenimore Cooper, 1850James Fischer2024-03-04T11:44:58-05:002024-03-04T11:44:58-05:00Re: 100 years agohttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;73f8800f.2403> But they haven't told us yet just what kind of weather it is that suits everyone.<br><br>Not to worry, in 1959, Buckminster Fuller did the math, and worked out that a dome could be built over the most densely-built-up of Manhattan for less than the cost of snow removal, and be climate controlled, so there would be several million "votes" each on their own thermostat to set the weather. [...]Peter Borst2024-03-03T11:08:04-05:002024-03-03T11:08:04-05:00100 years agohttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;836ebec8.2403Almost 100 years ago, in the "Western globe" (1929-03-21)<br><br>> And now the scientists are predicting that sooner or later the weather will be regulated by man, so folks may have just the kind that suits them. But they havn't told us yet just what kind of weather it is that suits everyone. [...]Allen Dick2024-02-28T14:24:31-05:002024-02-28T14:24:31-05:00Re: A fortune in keeping beeshttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;36992146.2402My daughter was stopped by a cop when she was driving a back road in one of our trucks .<br><br>He had a notebook and was all set to have a chat.<br><br>He opened with, "what are you carrying?"<br><br>"Bees", she said, and looked back at the load. "Are they coming out?"<br><br>"Better get going", he said.James Fischer2024-02-28T14:15:36-05:002024-02-28T14:15:36-05:00Re: A fortune in keeping beeshttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;20100495.2402The various statutes of limitations have long since expired, so I can say with authority that the way to make "a fortune" keeping bees is to do what Bob Cole of NC did with untaxed corn liquor for decades, and what I did with slightly more mind-altering substances - to be in the business of transporting difficult-to-transport goods, with the pallets of bees surrounding and atop those goods. [...]Peter Borst2024-02-28T12:01:57-05:002024-02-28T12:01:57-05:00Is there a difference?https://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;d1ccd1.2402I am reminded of the question once asked of a number of scientists who were assembled together; the question was, why does a fish weigh more out of than in water?” Various reasons were given, none of which proved at all satisfactory, till at last someone was led to ask, “does it?” The trial was at once made, and lo ! there was no difference.—J. E. POND, JR. in: The American Apiculturist. SALEM, MASS., MAY, 1883.Peter Borst2024-02-28T11:44:29-05:002024-02-28T11:44:29-05:00A fortune in keeping beeshttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;44fd7201.2402It has often been asked, 'Why, did not Mr. Quinby accumulate a fortune in keeping bees?' To this question, I think this answer may be given: It is true that Mr. Quinby never became wealthy in a pecuniary point of view, but this was not because he was unable to make bee-keeping a lucrative pursuit. He did reap handsome profits in his business, but was continually distributing his gains in the search for more knowledge, and means for imparting it to others. [...]Beekeepers2024-02-26T16:52:05-00:002024-02-26T16:52:05-00:00Re: Great Photo - Greek Beekeepershttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;8dd2c58c.2402We did it first:<br><br>"https://www.bbka.org.uk/bbka-history-post-war-changes#:~:text=Smokers%20in%<br>20Whitehall,of%20support%20from%20the%20Government."<br><br>Best wishes<br><br>Peter<br>52º14'44.44"N 1º50'35"W<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Allen Dick2024-02-26T09:24:47-05:002024-02-26T09:24:47-05:00Re: Great Photo - Greek Beekeepershttps://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-lsoftdonations.exe?A2=BEE-L;f92c1822.2402That URL was trucated by folding. Enclosing in quotes prevents that.<br><br>Try "https://news.yahoo.com/greek-beekeepers-hives-parliament-protest-165142791.h<br>tml"