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Bob Harrison <[log in to unmask]>
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>Could we go into more detail as to why such high temperatures are required
>to reuse jars (I'm thinking canning jars here) for honey?

Your county health department is the best place to get advice. If not
selling in stores I wouldn't worry.

In Iowa you can process honey in your home kitchen with your pet cat sitting
on your shoulder but not in Missouri.
( nasty emails from beekeepers in Iowa will follow!)

>How about the canning jars as they come out of the plastic wrapped cases in
>which they are shipped.

As long as they are not exposed to dust etc. they do not need washed.

>Why isn't the wash cycle in a dishwasher sufficient?

Not sure. I only know restaurants in Missouri with *dishwashers* the temp is
supposed to be set at 170 I.

 >And, if one has the sanitizing option in their dishwasher, isn't the
sanitizing process sufficient?

I have looked at commercial dishwashers but not saw the sanitizing option. A
worker coming in to help extract tomorrow worked as a dishwasher at a large
restaurant for a couple years I will see if he has information.

I *think* drinking glasses can be processed as like bars with the three sink 
process but not sure.

>Just the wash cycle supposedly cleans eating utensils and dishes
>sufficiently to use for eating. And, honey being the anti-bacterial
>substance it is, why wouldn't that, along with the cleaning cycle be
>adequate for reuse of glassware?

Would be for me and you. I don't make the rules but I do follow the rules
(most of the time).

Rules could be very different for you county & state. I am both county and
state inspected.

Having attended many national conventions my fellow beekeepers all follow 
similar rules. Missouri is especially tough on potable water and 
septic/sewer  rules.

Placing a stove in the honey house adds all kinds of new rules.

Years ago I had a cozy wood burning stove in my honey house. Health 
department said had to go.
Another beekeeper kept his by making a wall and putting in a sliding door 
around his wood stove.

Another simply ran his sink water outside and the health department made him 
install a septic.

Now I can get a ticket if caught without my seatbelt or ride down the road 
on a motorcycle without a helmet and I hear in the future donuts  will be 
rationed to protect people from becoming obese.

bob

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