Dennis said:
>Those who have experienced these kinds of losses know that they are not due
>to treating or it's lack. Something entirely new is going on. Has anyone
>been reading Randy Oliver's stuff?

I have been reading randy's articles. Still I see no proof "something
entirely *new* is going on".

What most commercial beekeepers see is the need for "something entirely new
going on" in order to keep the funding coming (which is fine by most
commercial beekeepers) but the science has not come close to proving we have
a new issue at the root of CCD.

We went over and over Hackenbergs losses on the list and found plenty of 
reasons to
point at as other possible issues caused his losses.(in archives) other than 
"something entirely new going on".

I am more than willing to let the subject of both your hive loss go away but
if I was to look at the way you both kept your hives before the loss I see
plenty of causes for hive loss.


Allen was running an experiment and has learned from his loss. Dennis has
pointed the loss finger in every direction but his own.

bob

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