Marlin(SCOTT) Kline,
I wouldn't worry about it. It sounds like you did the right things, if
anything you erred to the side of caution and IMHO, that is a good
thing.
 
As for Andy Nachbaur's other comments about  "Afro Bee Slash and Burn"
"quarantine boss with star and gun at the ready"; it appears to me that
Andy has some problem with the current method of quarantine being used
in this country to attempt to stop/slow the spread of african honeybees
(perhaps this has been discussed at length in the past? it doesn't
really matter).  Along the same vein, I recall an earlier post in which
he advises someone looking for African honeybee stock to breed in the
US, that he contact some of the guys behind quarantine lines to get AHB
breeding stock.
 
I figured when no one blasted him for that (IMO irresponsible) post,
that most everyone here on BEE-L had come to appreciate Andy for his
forwarding of other peoples info, press releases, etc. but had learned
to ignore much of what  he personally had to say (I was lucky to have
been forewarned).
 
Scott, there are many who post good info to this list, make referrals to
good sources, and quote many of the best beekeeping minds of today (both
in the scientific community and in the practical world of beekeeping).
David Green / Pollinator, Dr. Jerry Bromenshenk, Andrew Matheson,
Richard Bonney, & Larry Connor are a few of the better known names that
have posted here in the last few weeks whose info I trust and whose
opinions are usually  founded on fact.  There are even more people with
various levels of experience who post to this list, who have good
information to give to others and who share it  with all of the
appropriate qualifiers (eg: in my experience..  i read this there..
someone i respect told me.. i've done this for x years.. in my region of
the world.. etc.).  These are the types of people who's info you'd do
well to read and perhaps respond to...  ignoring the rest.
 
Sorry folks, it's not usually my style to blast someone.  As I expect
there'll be more than a few flames for this, to keep the clutter down on
the list, send 'em direct to [log in to unmask]
 
Kathy
 
Marlin (SCOTT) Kline wrote:
 
> I am not aware of what your statement is suppose to imply?"Afro Bee
> Slash"/Good
> Citizen/Quarantine Boss/I simply thought I was doing the correct
> procedure as far
> as having the Bees tested for Africanization?I contacted the Dept. Of
> Agriculture
> and they were in no hurry to inspect the hive,they were in a hurry for
> me to send
> samples of the Bees.I don't know if you are implying that I should
> just burn the
> colonie or explain what I am missing here.?I did send samples to the
> state
> IL.,the beekeeper as the state quoted called me and said if I was
> sending in
> samples that there was no reason for him to inspect the hive and he
> called after
> the state explained that he would not be calling me,one reason was he
> is 80 miles
> away.??I did state that this is my first year as a beekeeper,so I am
> open to any
> advice,But I am curious to the quarantine boss with star and gun
> comment.
>
>                                     Thank You
>
> Andy Nachbaur wrote:
>
> > AW>From: Adrian Wenner <[log in to unmask]>
> >   >Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:05:29 -0700
> >   >Subject:      Re: Very Agressive!!
> >
> > AW>Marlin (SCOTT) Kline wrote:
> >
> > AW>>Hello  This the first time I have asked for someone's opinion
> with there
> >   >>experience with bees,not implying that it is not needed only
> that I
> >   >>normally just read from the list and learn.This is my first year
> and
> >   >>first and second deep supers,in removing the honey super I
> noticed they
> >   >>were very upset,I was using a smoker which only upset them
> more.  Etc.
> >
> > AW>   I have had the same experience when encountering two colonies
> >   >(side-by-side) in the throes of death from varroa infestation.
> Chalkbrood
> >   >prevailed, and the bees really had nothing left to defend.
> Although I
> >   >inserted Apistan strips, both colonies were dead a month later
> --- still
> >   >full of honey.
> >
> > AW>   Back in the 1950s we would have said those colonies had become
>
> >   >"demoralized."
> >
> > Hello Adrian,
> >
> > Aside from the aggressive bees something that is nothing new in
> > beekeeping and easily taken care of in most operations with stock
> > selection and a good re-queening program, but I read that this
> beekeeper
> > has selected to have his bees tested. I guess he is not aware or
> maybe
> > in his area they do not do the good old "Afro Bee Slash and Burn" on
>
> > suspected killer bee hives or maybe he is just trying to be a good
> > citizen and has not met his first quarantine boss with star and gun
> at
> > the ready who really does not care if he is a good citizen or not,
> but
> > maybe he will get lucky and his bees will not be positive (for
> what).
> >
> > Back in the pre mite age those demoralized hives from the 1950's
> also
> > died and in large numbers from time to time in many different areas
> in
> > the US, and even good old beekeepers have had problems at different
> > time. All this even before the first notice of chalk brood in fact
> > records going back 80 or more years reflect large un-explained bee
> > losses both in the west and east. I say un-explained, I meant to say
> not
> > explained by the causes assigned them at the time.
> >
> > I suspect the only difference is that today when they die they have
> > varroa and as the hive declines in the numbers of bees I would
> expect
> > that the varroa numbers are magnified until at the end there is one
> or
> > more varroa for each adult bee and a few left over for the queen. I
> > suspect that a static number of varroa in a healthy hive translates
> in
> > the same hive to a large number per bee in a declining hive
> populations
> > for what ever the reason and may have nothing to do with the
> dynamics
> > of the varroa populations but reflect the dynamics of a declining
> bee
> > or host population.
> >
> > Changing the thread....
> >
> > You have yet to tell us if all the feral hives on that island have
> > disappeared after you introduced varroa into that feral population
> that
> > never had them prior to your decision to introduce them. An
> interesting
> > scientific approach but truly sad story of the deliberate despoiling
> of a
> > clean bee environment with a know bee pest and maybe the only
> > healthy population of feral bees in the US that was varroa free, now
>
> > there are none according to what some would have us believe or at
> the
> > lest one less.
> >
> > I wonder if those who want to set the clock back in the rest of the
> > world, thinking of those who live upside down to us and who still
> have a
> > use for honey buckets other then for honey, would consider releasing
>
> > varroa to kill the non native honey bees from their national parks
> and
> > forests. I guess they would have to change their bee importation
> laws
> > to allow bees from the US but then I have received in the mail a
> regular
> > envelope containing live varroa so I guess someone could air mail
> them
> > some to get them started and bypass any bee importation laws.
> >
> > ttul, the OLd Drone
> >
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> > in any form, or to print for any use.
> >
> > (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk.
> >
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