I am not aware of what your statement is suppose to imply?"Afro Bee Slash"/Good
Citizen/Quarantine Boss/I simply thought I was doing the correct procedure as far
as having the Bees tested for Africanization?I contacted the Dept. Of Agriculture
and they were in no hurry to inspect the hive,they were in a hurry for me to send
samples of the Bees.I don't know if you are implying that I should just burn the
colonie or explain what I am missing here.?I did send samples to the state
IL.,the beekeeper as the state quoted called me and said if I was sending in
samples that there was no reason for him to inspect the hive and he called after
the state explained that he would not be calling me,one reason was he is 80 miles
away.??I did state that this is my first year as a beekeeper,so I am open to any
advice,But I am curious to the quarantine boss with star and gun comment.
 
                                    Thank You
 
Andy Nachbaur wrote:
 
> AW>From: Adrian Wenner <[log in to unmask]>
>   >Date:         Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:05:29 -0700
>   >Subject:      Re: Very Agressive!!
>
> AW>Marlin (SCOTT) Kline wrote:
>
> AW>>Hello  This the first time I have asked for someone's opinion with there
>   >>experience with bees,not implying that it is not needed only that I
>   >>normally just read from the list and learn.This is my first year and
>   >>first and second deep supers,in removing the honey super I noticed they
>   >>were very upset,I was using a smoker which only upset them more.  Etc.
>
> AW>   I have had the same experience when encountering two colonies
>   >(side-by-side) in the throes of death from varroa infestation.  Chalkbrood
>   >prevailed, and the bees really had nothing left to defend.  Although I
>   >inserted Apistan strips, both colonies were dead a month later --- still
>   >full of honey.
>
> AW>   Back in the 1950s we would have said those colonies had become
>   >"demoralized."
>
> Hello Adrian,
>
> Aside from the aggressive bees something that is nothing new in
> beekeeping and easily taken care of in most operations with stock
> selection and a good re-queening program, but I read that this beekeeper
> has selected to have his bees tested. I guess he is not aware or maybe
> in his area they do not do the good old "Afro Bee Slash and Burn" on
> suspected killer bee hives or maybe he is just trying to be a good
> citizen and has not met his first quarantine boss with star and gun at
> the ready who really does not care if he is a good citizen or not, but
> maybe he will get lucky and his bees will not be positive (for what).
>
> Back in the pre mite age those demoralized hives from the 1950's also
> died and in large numbers from time to time in many different areas in
> the US, and even good old beekeepers have had problems at different
> time. All this even before the first notice of chalk brood in fact
> records going back 80 or more years reflect large un-explained bee
> losses both in the west and east. I say un-explained, I meant to say not
> explained by the causes assigned them at the time.
>
> I suspect the only difference is that today when they die they have
> varroa and as the hive declines in the numbers of bees I would expect
> that the varroa numbers are magnified until at the end there is one or
> more varroa for each adult bee and a few left over for the queen. I
> suspect that a static number of varroa in a healthy hive translates in
> the same hive to a large number per bee in a declining hive populations
> for what ever the reason and may have nothing to do with the dynamics
> of the varroa populations but reflect the dynamics of a declining bee
> or host population.
>
> Changing the thread....
>
> You have yet to tell us if all the feral hives on that island have
> disappeared after you introduced varroa into that feral population that
> never had them prior to your decision to introduce them. An interesting
> scientific approach but truly sad story of the deliberate despoiling of a
> clean bee environment with a know bee pest and maybe the only
> healthy population of feral bees in the US that was varroa free, now
> there are none according to what some would have us believe or at the
> lest one less.
>
> I wonder if those who want to set the clock back in the rest of the
> world, thinking of those who live upside down to us and who still have a
> use for honey buckets other then for honey, would consider releasing
> varroa to kill the non native honey bees from their national parks and
> forests. I guess they would have to change their bee importation laws
> to allow bees from the US but then I have received in the mail a regular
> envelope containing live varroa so I guess someone could air mail them
> some to get them started and bypass any bee importation laws.
>
> ttul, the OLd Drone
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