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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 05:38:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Medicine for Bees
Find a cow, stand behind her, she's likely to piss or poop on you - some
dairy cows are very good are projectile pissing and crapping.  Easiest way
to collect urine, just go to a dairy during milking time with a bucket.
They're held by a stanchion while being milked - always one in the bunch is
going to produce urine for you.
Remember, dairy cows can get sick and carry diseases, some of which can
transfer to humans -  anthrax, brucellosis, cryptosporidiosis,
dermatophilosis, Escherichia coli, giardiasis, leptospirosis, listeriosis,
pseudocowpox, Q fever, rabies, ringworm, salmonellosis, tuberculosis, and
vesicular stomatitis.

I was in the dairy industry with my dad for almost two decades.  The only
unpasteurized  milk we'd drink was our own -- our milk was checked every
two days by the dairy and our cows were checked annually and vaccinated.
Dad had the record for Yellowstone County for low bacterial counts in milk
for many years.
Even if cows are disease free, with respect to milk, one doesn't know how
clean the dairyman is.  Our neighbor, a dairyman sold to a dairy and he
sold jug (raw) milk.  His cream separator was in the barn with the cows,
near the stanchions.  On more than one time, I saw one of his cows stretch
over and slobber in the cream.  The city and state health inspectors were
out 3 or more times a year because his milk exceeded allowable standards
for levels of bacteria in milk.  They didn't see the cream separator that
he used for his jug milk customers.
For both of these reasons, I don't drink raw milk,  I have no desire to
drink raw milk unless it's from my own, healthy cows. I don't want cow
urine in  my honey, in any form.  And, don't ask my opinion about sheep - I
still haven't forgotten my parasitology courses.
I haven't read the reports from India.  I assume they process the urine in
some way - but tell a beekeeper something works and the caveats are likely
to be forgotten.  Have fun getting your urine - it's not hard.  Just spook
a cow.

On another disgusting track, I've seen honey bees gathering liquids from
the carcasses of dead and bloated cattle, and I've seen dog parasites in
the honey from beehives near dog kennels.  I prefer that my bees are not
near cattle, sheep, nor dogs.
How about focusing on something that has the potential to really work and
also eliminates the need for antibiotics like the bacteriophage developed
by Dr. Sandra Hope at Brigham Young University.  Fed to bees, it reportedly
control AFB.  She'll be talking at the 2020 WAS Conference in Missoula,  MT
July 9-11, 2020.




I have also seen honey bees on bloated cow carcasses, gathering fluids to
take back to the hives.   I've seen dog parasites in honey.

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