OK. I've been away, but have had a chance to look at the videos that were recommended to me. I don't know if the URLs were posted to BEE-L. If they were my search did not turn them up, so here they are. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5106409524033235587 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6129663215037522414 They are long, low res and unedited -- apparently, so for those who are short of spare time, I recommend going to about 3/4ths to 7/8ths through the second one. That's where it gets good. Priceless, actually. allen http://www.honeybeeworld.com/diary/2000/diary031500.htm#Spring%20Checking,%20Feeding%20&%20Unwrapping: --- It is nobler to declare oneself wrong than to insist on being right - especially when one is right. -- Friedrich Nietzsche (1844 - 1900), Thus Spoke Zarathustra **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * ****************************************************