>Depending on the target pest, there may be many or just one alternative,
>with that one
alternative likely to be another neonicotinoid. However, for an increasing
pest of sweet cherry,
black cherry aphid (Myzus cerasi) no alternatives are recommended.

Sure growers like the neonicotinoids. However to say no other pesticide will
kill or control Myzus cerasi is simply not true! Use the neonicotinoids on
your cherries and no Myzus cerasi but without bees what difference does it
make?

Growers have been given the choice in many areas to either use the
neonicotinoids or chose another product and get bees.

 i really can't make the situation plainer.

 Dave Hackenberg went back into crops he had came out of with heavy losses
the year before ( personal phone conversation)  and had been treated again
with the  neonicotinoids. Dave told me he charged double his fee. Dave said
the losses were not worth even the double payment.

The informed pollination beekeepers are giving growers a choice. The
uninformed pollination beekeepers are going in and learning about the
neonicotinoids the hard way. An old saying is "fools rush in!" which applies
to many commercial beeks ignoring the possible problems from doing
pollination on crops treated with the neonics.

Beekeepers doing pollination or producing orange honey have never said the
neonics were not liked by the growers. Beeks in Florida have been producing
orange blossom honey for a century but when you move strong hives in and
bring out dead and dying hives its not hard to figure what is different.
Systemic pesticide use is when the problem started.  *If* IMD use was
discontinued today on orange it would take up to three years before bees
could be moved back in and not see the effects of IMD on bees ( source
several of my researcher friends)

I really do get tired of going over the same thing time and time again. I
told a moderator on BEE-L I was done talking about the issue but here I am
again.

bob

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