Again, thank you, Andrea.
The surgeon general's warning did not appear until 1964, according to the
Encyclopedia Britannica (just in case you were worried that this thread was
getting off topic, Anita.) See my website at
http://groups.msn.com/20thCenturyArtifacts/cigarettedates.msnw for the
dating of common 20th century artifacts. As you all see, I have a whole
page on cigarette dates.
However, Allen, it is interesting to know that doctors had connected lung
disease and tobacco for decades before. The historic figure on whom my
novel is based died of TB in 1913. I hypothesize that his fondness for
cigars (imagined, of course, there is no documentation that he smoked
cigars) exacerbated the disease. He was a bartender, then a saloon owner.
Given the presence of a cigar case in every picture of a saloon that I have
ever seen from the period, I imagine the places were filled with cigar
smoke constantly. If the saloon men didn't die of kidney disease (which I
DO have documentation of), they died of lung disease (which I also have
documentation of).
Unlike another reader's suggestion that my rich man would be likely to
smoke a pipe, I believe the cigar was much more likely in the saloon
setting. While I, like most of you who have dug up saloons, have found
tobacco pipes, I have also found parts of cigar boxes. The bits of cigars,
their labels, etc. would be so fragile that they would not preserve like
the tobacco pipes. Therefore, the likelihood of finding evidence of cigars
is not as great as finding tobacco pipes. We get a skewed picture in the
archeological record. I prefer the photographic and newspaper record for
understanding how much men prefered cigars over pipes in the saloon.
Anyway, thank you all for your contribution to this discussion. I have
finished the first draft of my novel. It is based on the life of a man who
lived in Skagway, Alaska from 1901 to 1909, then Seward, Alaska from 1909
to 1913, before he died tragically at the age of 40. He was a bartender,
saloon owner, city councilman, and mayor, then received an appointment as
game warden from the governnor of Alaska. I suspect, had he lived, he would
have become a state legislator, and perhaps even a delegate to Congress. He
was highly connected to powerful people in Alaska, including the Guggenheim
syndicate. When he died, he had caught a bad cold on an outing in the
winter-time. I got to wondering if he got crosswise with some powerful
people and the cold was no accident. Hence the novel.
His rich friend was also a fascinating saloon man who ran a gambling hall
in Skagway and had a wife connected to the Hearst fortune. I changed it to
the Guggenheim Syndicate to make it more interesting.
Anyway, I've thanked you all in my acknowledgments section. Now, if anyone
knows how I go about finding an agent to read my book, please let me know
off-line!
Cathy
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It was actually $8 for a box of 100. Still sounds expensive to me,
but maybe less so than I led you to believe. My database was a little
unclear on pricing because I was interested in sorting groups of
merchandise according to price ranges. I had placed it in the $5-$10
category. I went back and looked it up. I actually have a copy of
this ad, which was printed in Collier's Weekly, on June 20, 1908, p.
25.
The copy reads:
SMOKE IT
Don't judge a cigar until you have tried it. Every man likes a
certain cigar because he has cultivated a taste for it, and smoking the
same brand becomes a habit. Give the Ordero Cigar a trial. The
chances are you will like it and will want to smoke a cigar that is
always uniform.
The "Ordero" is a Hand-Made Long Filler, made of the best quality
of
genuine imported Havana and Sumatra.
The Ordero Cigars are made to your order only, with your name on
the
box, each layer being packed separately in a sealed package. Price
$8.00 for 100 delivered. Or a trial box of 12 will be sent you for
$1.00. Your money refunded if unsatisfactory. Order a box now.
JOSEPH R. RUGG, Est. 1843. 740 Market St., Blairsville, Pa.
Strange not to see a surgeon's general warning on tobacco products.
If I recall correctly the FDA was created in response to some patent
medicine scandals around 1906 or so. I am not sure when surgeon's
general warnings began to appear, or if they was related to this
movement when they did appear.
Andrea Marroquin
On Aug 31, 2004, at 10:45 AM, Cathy Spude wrote:
> Andrea:
>
> Thank you!
>
> The Odero cigar...was it $5 apiece or $5 a box (either way, expensive:
> that's the equivalent of $100 today). Okay, I admit the novel is mine.
> My
> guy (not the main character) wants quality, but he also wants to
> display
> his wealth. Smoking a $100 equivalent cigar would do the trick.
>
> Do you know if it was a Cuban cigar?
>
> The other information is priceless, too. I'm finishing up a report on a
> saloon, dating 1897 - 1916. I disagree with another writer that pipes
> might
> be as common as cigars. The photographs of tobacco stores and the
> tobacco
> cases in saloons were dominated by cigars. Pipes were a leisurely
> smoke,
> better suited to the clubhouse. The cigar was meant for the saloon.
> Although I found pipes in my saloon, and very little evidence of
> cigars,
> you wouldn't due to differential preservation. I'll bet with your
> research
> on ads, you found the cigar ads outweighed those for pipe tobacco
> during
> the period.
>
> Thanks again. It was a real help.
>
>
> Cathy
>
> Catherine Holder Spude ¨ Archeologist ¨ Cultural Resources Management ¨
> National Park Service – Intermountain Region ¨ 505.988.6831Voice ¨
> 505.988.6876 Fax
> The National Park Service cares for special places saved by the
> American
> people so that all may experience our heritage.
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> I can't vouch for the quality, but I came across a number of
> alcohol
> and tobacco products when I was researching advertisements posted in
> monthly magazines between 1890 and 1910 for my master's thesis. The
> thesis is available under my maiden name:
>
> Clark, Andrea
> 2001 From Ads to Artifacts: The Selling Power of Gender Ideology in
> America, 1890-1910. An M.A. thesis submitted to the
> Faculty of
> the
> Department of Anthropology at the The College of William
> and
> Mary.
> Williamsburg, VA.
>
> All of the following ads are available on microfiche. I can provide
> specific sources, dates, and page numbers for any of these ads if your
> friend would like to look some of them up personally. I believe I may
> also have jpg.s of a few of them.
>
> Products with Ads Targeting Men:
>
> - Enos Richardson and Co. advertised cigar cutters in 1893. This
> product was called "the most useful present that could be given a
> gentleman."
> - "Hunter Baltimore Rye" was advertised by Wm. Lanahan & Son in 1898,
> was considered "The American Gentleman's Whiskey" by the advertisers.
> - "Gold Lack Champagne," by C.H. Arnold & Co., advertised in 1903.
> Heralded as the beverage of "Your Grandfather's father, and other fine
> gentlement of the old school" and was professed to be "now as then the
> wine of connoisseurs and aristocrats the world over."
> - "Dewar's Scotch Whisky" from Frederick Glassup and John Dewar & Sons
> advertised in 1903. This ad proclaimed "FISHERMAN'S LUCK often
> includes a combination of we feet, hunger, a light creel and a
> plentiful supply of hard luck stories. The lucky fisherman is the one
> who provides himself beforehand with the consoling companionship of
> Dewar's Scotch WHISKY."
> - "Hunter Whisky," by Wm. Lanahan & Son, was advertised in 1903.
> - "Pommery Champagne" was available in 1903. Advertisers claimed it
> was present at an affair hosted for King Edward VII by France's
> Minister of Foreign Affairs.
> - "Cook's Imperial Extra-Dry Champagne," also available in 1903, stated
> "Let every good fellow now drink up his glass."
> - "Hunter Rye," again by W,. Lanahan & Son, advertised in 1908.
> - "Old English Curve Cut Tobacco" was offered by the American Tobacco
> Co. in 1908.
> - The "Freeman Pipe" was available from the Freeman Pipe Co. in 1908.
> - Tobacco was offered from the French Tobacco Co. in 1908. This
> product was called "The Aristocrat of Smoking Tobacco."
> - Ordero Cigars were advertised by Joseph H. Rugg in 1908 (they were
> over $5, and might therefore be considered expensive, whether this
> reflects on quality, I cannot say).
>
> Alcohol and Tobacco Products Targeting Women:
>
> - One ad promoted "cigarettes and cigars" for women in 1893, noting the
> Empress of Austria was rumored to smoke fifty cigarettes daily in
> addition to smoking cigars. Interestingly, no specific manufacturer
> attached their name to this notice.
> - "Schlitz Beer" in 1903.
>
> Ads Targeting Both Men and Women:
>
> - "Hunter Baltimore Rye," by Wm. Lanahan & Son in 1903. Still noted as
> "The American Gentleman's Whiskey," this product was "particularly
> recommended to women because of its age and excellence."
> - "Schlitz Beer" in 1903. "It is good for anybody."
> - "Harper Rye," advertised by Bernheim Bros. in 1903.
>
> Gender-Neutral Ads:
>
> - "Compana Cigar," from the Compana Mfg. Co., available for 25 cents in
> 1893.
> - "Hayner's Rye" was available from the Hayner Distilling Co. in 1898.
> - A "Turko Cigarette Roller" was available from Charles W. Oliver in
> 1903.
> - Gender-neutral ads for "Cook's Imperial Extra Dry Champagne" were
> published in 1903.
> - "Dr. Siegert's Angostura Bitters" were promoted by Dr. J.G.B.
> Siegert & Sons in 1903.
> - A "Chartreuse Cordial" and "Chartreuse Liqueur," was provided by
> Batjer & Co. in 1903.
> - "Bond & Lillard Whiskey" was available from Stoll & Co. in 1903.
> - "Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer" was advertised by Pabst in 1903.
> - A "Flaming Pocket Lighter," was advertised by Walton & Co. in 1908.
> - A "Peach Pipe," was marketed by Leavitt & Peirce and the Peach Pipe
> Co. in 1908.
> - A "Hydro Electric Cigar Case Moistener" was available from Julius
> Andrae & Son's Co. in 1908.
> - An "Automatic Cigarette-Maker" was promoted by Esrich Mfg. Co. in
> 1908.
>
> Hope this helps! Andrea Marroquin
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2004, at 10:33 AM, Cathy Spude wrote:
>
>> HISTARCHers:
>>
>> I have a friend who is writing a novel. He'd like to know the brand
>> name of
>> a good quality whiskey and cigar from about 1905. Can anyone help?
>>
>>
>> Cathy
>>
>>
>> Catherine Holder Spude ¨ Archeologist ¨ Cultural Resources Management
>> ¨
>> National Park Service – Intermountain Region ¨ 505.988.6831Voice ¨
>> 505.988.6876 Fax
>> The National Park Service cares for special places saved by the
>> American
>> people so that all may experience our heritage.
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