Hi All,
    As Lesley said, gee, I wish I got an orgasm while breastfeeding.
After nursing 4, for more than 4 years total - I never had the
'pleasure' of such a response. Cramping, feeling touched out, tender
(after being kneaded for an hour+) breasts, and some of the most
wonderful, quiet peaceful moments in all my life - but no sexual arousal
or orgasm.
 I sometimes wonder why one reaction mentioned to someone, somehow
becomes 'the truth' or 'reality' or one of the list of reasons not to
breastfeed, as if they happen all the time (engorgement, sore nipples
etc.) and to everyone. Just MHO.
    On the Ezzo comments made by Anne, you make some very good comments
and clarifications.  The Programs are:
    Preparation For Parenting (5th ed.) for birth to eight months
    Preparation For Parenting for five to fifteen months.
    On Becoming Babywise (Preparation for Parenting secular version) for
ages birth to eight months.
    On Becoming Babywise II (Preparation for the Toddler Years secular
version) for ages five to fifteen months.
    Growing Children God's Way for ages fifteen months to pre-teen.
    Reaching the Heart of Teens for pre-teen through the teen years.
  These are directly out of the GFI catalog that the Ezzo mom I tried to
work with (she has now moved) gave to me. I take one exception though.
This mom took the GKGW course and then came to a bible study group I was
attending, touting the wonders of scheduling and so on - her younger son
was 9 months old and breastfeeding. So there is the danger of using any
of the programs to promote and instill the scheduling of younger
children in the family. I know I am just doing what I critisized above,
except that she was not the only mom in our chapel group who did the
same thing - a majority of them came back touting the things that they
had learned and had one mom appologizing for picking up her baby at
night and another (first time mom, 3 month old) crawling in the baby's
room in the dark just to look at him - because she did not want to upset
his 'schedule.' These are the concerns and worry that I have with the
Ezzos and their programs - all of them.
    They appear to deny God's creation of us as individuals with the God
given free will and personality he gave us (and knew before hand that he
has given us), and that we as parents need to set limits and guide our
children to help them learn - right from wrong, respect, compassion,
love, justice and all of God's desires for us. He did not intend for us
to misuse his words to subjegate, destroy the will, destroy the soul, or
destroy the beauty of individuality of his creation. These are my
concerns, I have learned after 4 children that respecting the
differences - no celebrating the differences - of each child, builds
their respect and willingness to respect others, and living within
limits of love and guidence will do more to 'train them up right,' than
rigid scheduling and control. Again just MHO.
    On the issue of posts that offend or 'are not for this forum.' That
is that person's opinion only, I did not find them offensive nor did I
not think it was unappropriate. Many posts and the comments they
generate may not interest me, or have anything to do with issues I deal
with - I just grin and bear them because I do gain so much information,
support and like minded feelings from this list. Please don't force this
forum off the Net or curb the closeness and feeling of sisterhood and
brotherhood that has developed. I will encourage all to maybe comment
that a post was not to your liking or you felt it was too long - but
other comments feel too much like control and censorship. As was stated
so well by Bonny - it does not mean that we have to agree on everything
just because we agree on breastfeeding. Just a comment.
    I had a success this week - mom expecting first babies (twins) whose
mil breastfed twins and was very negative about it (not worth the
effort). Just delivered by an emergency c-sec, two beautiful healthy big
girls (6lbs + and 5lbs + at 3.5 weeks early) and is nursing well and so
happy. She is just frustrated with our hospital's policy and avid desire
to give the girls a bottle. Why oh why can't some HCPs just leave a
working situation alone? But she is committed, postive and trying to get
them to understand that she felt since the girls were nursing there was
not a need for anything else. YEAH.

Leslie Ward
Vine Grove, KY
"I do not do great things, I do small things with great love." Mother
Theresa