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"Catherine Watson Genna BS, IBCLC" <[log in to unmask]>
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There's not really such a thing as non-nutritive sucking during 
breastfeeding, unless the feeding parent is not lactating. I prefer the 
terms high flow and low flow sucking. The NS/NNS dichotomy is pacifer 
vs. bottle feeding terminology. Sucking during breastfeeding is really a 
continuum - the important thing to understand is the slower the sucking 
(during the deep, rhythmic, effective sucking) the faster the milk flow, 
and the faster the sucking, the slower the milk flow.

Jan Riordan once said in a lecture that during the colostrum phase, 
sucking bursts of 10 or more sucks was reassuring in terms of the baby 
sucking effectively. Infants with cardiorespiratory problems may have 
shorter sucking bursts and still be transferring milk, but we're talking 
healthy newborns.

We don't have huge amounts of research on the spatial organization of 
sucking, but I agree that during the active phase of sucking, the 
healthy baby feeding well uses a 1:1 or 2:1 suck:swallow ratio, things 
differ as the first few large milk ejections are consumed. Every study 
has to choose what to look at, and none cover all the variables. This is 
why it's important to read widely and synthesize all the information. 
There's certainly a lot we think we know that is going to turn out to 
not be so, to paraphrase Mark Twain paraphrasing Josh Billings.

Catherine Watson Genna BS, IBCLC  NYC  www.cwgenna.com

On 2/23/2021 2:42 PM, Tricia Shamblin wrote:
> I'm reading with interest the study published by Geddes in 2016 regarding sucking patterns,  nutritive sucking, nonnutritive sucking.
> "Suck-Swallow-Breathe Dynamics in Breastfed Infants - Vanessa S. Sakalidis, Donna T. Geddes, 2016" https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0890334415601093
> It seems there's not strong evidence for the idea of 1 to 1 or 1 to 2 suck swallow ratio. Interesting. Would live opinions. The pattern of this two phase sucking that is described, seems to be describes sucking after onset of mature milk production. Am I wrong? Does this apply to newborns during colostrum production? It never really says.
>
>   It's a shame that still so little is known about this time. So many of us work in the hospital. We rarely see this type of breastfeeding here. Or should we observe for NS & NNS on day one? What type of pattern is normal on day one?
> I really dislike the term NNS being used with the mothers and instead I say stimulating sucks and swallowing sucks. It seems to imply to them that the baby isn't getting milk. So many have become obsessed with milk transfer lately, to the point where they aren't able to relax and just enjoy breastfeeding.
> Thank you,
> Tricia Shamblin, RN, BSN, IBCLC
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