To all thous who are outraged - come and visit me someday in Crown Heights,
Brooklyn, New York. Where the drugs are obtainable as easily as candy from
the corner store, (I actually have to ask the friendly neighborhood drug
dealers, who are doing business on my front stoop to please move over so I
can get into the building). To the corner of Union and Utica, where the
shots are fired practically every day, and definitely every night. Come
here, where the prostitutes are doing business standing up right against the
wall in all kinds of weather. and yes the rest of us gets to watch whether
we want it or not. Come here so you can see me get spit up on just because I
happen to be white and Jewish. Come and see our kids attached and since you
are probably wondering - I will tell you one Jewish 10 year old yeshiva
student does not usually attack a group of black youths and "asks for it".
And no the cops do not respond.
As to the morality of prostitution - I believe it is immaterial. I was not
passing a moral judgment at all. Also I have been out of money, and under
the threat of eviction, and without food - and I found other ways to eat and
feed my family. and yes at one point I did not know English too, so I
learned. The last time I checked the prostitution was illegal in US, except
for certain locales.
What I meant was that a women, who is being promiscuous - ether
professionally or otherwise is at risk for sexually transmitted desice, just
like a man who is doing the same thing. On the other hand people, who are
monogamous have a lot less chance of thous desises. Moral or not - it is
true.
Personally I could not care less about the sex life of others, but we leave
with the consequence of our actions. I choose not to vaccinate my kids - so
I do not complain when we have a mums outbreak and blame society. I keep an
eye on my kids and if needed keep them at home.
What I think is outrageous that in the interest of not discriminating
against one group of people it is perfectly OK to disregard the rights and
sensibilities of the other group. Please tell me there is no difference
between a woman, who has six kids from six different men, and wants none of
them - and yes, there are plenty of them where I live too. and a woman, who
is married and has six kids with the same husband and wanted each and every
one of thous kids. The last time I had a baby the lady in the next room was
brought in by the cups, - she drowned her baby in the toilet. Tell me that
we should be receiving the same medical testing and the same counseling from
the social worker.
I am sorry that the point I was trying to make was missed and instead you
concentrated on the question of morality, that was nor relevant to what I
was saying at all. What I wanted to say was that unfortunately it is
practically impossible to refuse unwonted testing, or counselling, or
profiling. Especially if you are on Medicaid. What I wanted to that the
powers that be do not look at paitiens as individuals - instead we are a set
of statistics - to be fitted into a certain slot with proper boxes checked
off.
Sorry this came out so long. It seems to me that one has to post very
carefully here expressing ether liberal opinions or none at all. And that is
not right. So I would consider myself a hypocrite if I did not say that yes
- guilty as charged, I believe that promiscuity is immoral, but that is my
personal belief, one I am not trying to push on any one here, there or
anywhere.
All the best.
Henya in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, New York - come and visit. .

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Holly McSpadden
<[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Ditto
>
> Holly
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:         stillberatung bremen <[log in to unmask]>
> Date:         Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:39:26
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Funning on the corner
>
> thank you, susan!
>
> nina
>
> 2009/11/24 Susan Burger <[log in to unmask]>:
> > Dear all:
> >
> > I am deeply shocked and completely upset at the characterization of women
> as "funning on the corner".  I'm not sure whether the poster meant to
> denigrate prostitutes, which means that should be considered "immoral" which
> means a huge lack of understanding a out the fact that many prostitutes have
> not "chosen" the profession willingly and research has shown an association
> with high levels of abuse -- or women "funning on the corner" because she
> thinks that casual sex is immoral and again is making judgments about these
> women without knowing anything at all about their family, social, or
> cultural backgrounds.  Sometimes women are promiscuous because they have
> been abused.  Sometimes women are promiscuous because they enjoy sex and are
> not ready for or simply don't want a committed relationship.  But I find the
> characterization of women "funning on the corner" to be extremely sexist.
>  Where is the corresponding comment about men coercing women and young girls
> to have unwanted sex? or "funning on the corner"?  And it could even be that
> the women "funning on the corner" merely enjoy flirting.  Since I wasn't on
> the corner I don't know and even if I was on that corner, I might not be
> able to tell what was going on with those women "funning on the corner".
> >
> > This comment immediately brought on a flashback of the woman on the
> subway who tried to steal my computer with the bump and snatch.  She was
> well dressed and white.  I started suspecting her because she was talking
> about a bag on the floor and the way she was talking sounded strange.  The
> train was so crowded that in order ot fit, I had to put my computer bag on
> the floor between my feet.  I clenched my feet together tighter because I
> thought something was wrogn.  When indeed I got the bump and she snatched my
> bag, I was ready and grabbed it right back.  She immediately went on attack
> mode without my having said anything about "well, do I look like a thief?"
>  In the packed subway car with people from all corners of the globe, I
> thought to myself "does she really think that because she's white and
> well-dressed she can make that sort of comment when she so clearly grabbed
> the bag from between my legs?"  I just ignored her.
> >
> > I am all too often deeply disappointed in the moral characterization of
> people who get disease as somehow "bad" because they didn't have "the right
> attitude", the "proper diet", or "acceptable lifestyle".  Instead, we should
> be considering the barriers on all levels and helping to remove as many of
> the barriers as we can.  Many years back, Richard Manoff did an excellent
> presentation about not "blaming the mother".  He went through the old UNICEF
> list of things mothers were supposed to do for their infants and put it in
> concrete terms of what she really would have to do to accomplish the list.
>  It quickly became apparent even to those of us who did not have children
> (which I didn't at the time) that it was impossible for a mother to do
> alone.  Thinking along these lines did create a shift in nutrition education
> away from the moralistic lectures about feeding the "right" foods and
> preparing them in the "right" way to strategies that address the support
> systems for the mothers.  Some of the most successful strategies involved
> getting men and grandmothers involved.
> >
> >
> > Susan Burger, MHS, PhD, IBCLC
> >
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