By the way forgot to mention that the 48 hours, over 24 month rule has a
proviso. If the mother and child were separated without an intention to
wean, or if the child did not give up the breast, but had to stop nursing
let us say for medical reasons, or because mom went into the hospital to
have another baby, if the child is willing - they can resume the
breastfeeding. There age limit in Talmud is for a healthy child - 4 years,
and for a sickly child - 5.
I also consider myself ultra-orthodox. I do not fast even on the big ones
like Yom Kippur, because I have a precedent of loosing my milk after
fasting. The Jewish laws are very intricate. One should ask a specialist.
An unrelated question, can an early miscarriage cause an increase in milk
supply? I am within 24 hours after a miscarriage and I am feeling engorged.
I am also feeling uterine tremors while nursing. Prior to this I was
straggling with low supply. My baby is 18 month old, still mainly nursing. A
miscarriage was an early, first trimester thing.
--
Henya
Brooklyn,NY
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:11 PM, cillakat <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> My best friend lived in a rural poor area of Poland until she was 7 (now
> 39)
> and her eldest sister was 14. Where they lived, breastfeeding was the
> norm. When there was a young baby, it was carried on the mother in a
> shawl/sling, the mother keeping one breast exposed much of the time to feed
> frequently. It was the norm. They thought nothing of it.
> When they moved here to the bright, shiny wealthy US (hmmph), they saw *no
> one* breastfeeding. All of the Polish relatives here used formula. The
> older sister, being a teen, was very quick to internalize a belief that
> formula=wealth=modern=good=desirable and breastfeeding=poor=peasant=old
> fashioned=gross....among other things.
>
> When the older sister had her first child, I'll never forget the look of
> disgust on her face when someone asked if she would be breastfeeding (it
> was
> just coming back 'en vogue' in Western Michigan), "that is DISGUSTING." and
> on she went with a long string of disparaging remarks regarding the filth
> that is breastfeeding.
>
> I hadn't thought much about breastfeeding other than that it seemed fine.
> My mom nursed me for a little while and nursed my little brother (who
> 'wouldn't take a bottle'....smart little sh*t;p) for 14 months - very
> unusual in West Michigan in 1972. I even remember her getting a plugged
> duct and mastitis when I was 3. Nursed little brother like crazy for a
> whole weekend to work it out. Asked me if I wanted to nurse. I
> wouldn't....it felt way to wierd (and I was only three!!! My kids nursed
> waaayy past that age)
>
> Anyhoo, when mom had that plugged duct and mastitis, she did the old LLL
> trick with the glass jar....fill it with hot water to heat the glass, pour
> the water out, place the glass jar opening on the breast over the
> nipple/areola. As it cools, it forms a vacuum and voila! expression.
> Certainly not ideal but....well, 1972. But i have a point....my point it
> that I thought breastfeeding was fine. Normal.
>
> When we were teens, and BF's sister was pg, I asked BF if she'd nurse her
> babies one day. No Way! " 'D' talks about how disgusting it was in Poland
> with all the women walking around with one saggy breast hanging out all of
> the time and a baby hanging off it. No way!"
>
> Fast forward 15 years. I'd had my first and was a hard core LLL'er.
> Baby was in a sling *all the time*. I didn't have a stroller and she
> wouldnt have ridden in one if I did. No baby bucket for me. I could
> sling
> wtih the best of 'em. An African woman at the hfs showed me how to hold
> baby in the cloth so I could literally toss her over my shoulder and
> backsling her (several ways....very cool). Then: friend got pregnant with
> her first.....was definitely going back to work when baby was six weeks.
> I
> brought up breastfeeding - very well, I might add;p - gave her
> _Bestfeeding:
> Getting Breastfeeding Right for You_ by Renfrew, Fisher, Arms (my very
> fave 10 years ago).....told her that she didn't have to do it the way I
> did,
> there are lots of ways to make breastfeeding work, inclucing with going
> back
> to work etc etc....and that it doesn't have to be a long term committment.
> She put her hand up, palm extended, *in my face* and said, "I'll try it,
> but
> if i don't like it or it doesn't work, I'm not doing it. If it does work,
> I'll try to make it six months....after that, it's offensive. No baby that
> old needs to be nursing"
>
> Long story short (or not so much)....she nursed the first baby 4 years, the
> second baby 5 years, went back to work when youngest was six instead of 6
> weeks....and is a staunchly intuitive, attachment oriented parent.
>
> One just never knows how things will turn out.
> <<Some cultures, again, predominantly African, believe a woman cannot have
> sex whilst lactating, and so the mother weans to make herself sexually
> available to the father.>>
>
> This widespread very old belief. Common in Puritan New England and so so
> many places.
>
> In the Talmud, breastfeeding and weaning are discussed extensively. There
> is also the belief that if you go 'x' amount of time without breastfeeding,
> the baby can't go back to breastfeeding - though I think it's only if the
> baby is older.....like maybe 18 months or two years of age. I believe that
> younger babies 'can' go back on the breast even after a period of no
> breastfeeding. There is also the opinion that nursing while pregnant is a
> Bad Thing b/c either the fetus will suffer or the nursing child will suffer
> (nutritionally). A very young infant, one fully dependent on breastmilk,
> would likely need supplemental food if it's mother became pregnant....but a
> very young infant fully dependent on mom for food is not the same as an 18
> month old that is breastfeeding and eating food.....yet either way, weaning
> is encouraged if the mom becomes pregnant. Like all things in the Talmud,
> there area variety of opinoins. I have seen this one printed out....a
> newly pregnant friend came to me, upset, b/c she was being encouraged to
> wean her 10 mo old based on this information.
>
> << Some African countries also believe that Coca Cola makes 'good milk'.>>
>
> So let's skip the kale.....just have a coke and a smile. ;p
>
> Katherine
>
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