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>A statement was made "Show us some research showing that the
> neonicotinods do not cause sub lethal
> effects (such as reported in France and Italy) and I will be quiet."
Proving a negative?
In Italy the research testing sub lethal effects was straight forward. Each
level of expose caused certain problems in the bees. Sub lethal testing is
not rocket science.
Lloyd,
I know far more about the issue than I put on BEE-L. My article in ABJ
brought letters from beeks all over the world plus the U.S.. My email
address in the magazine was not correct so I even had many phone. Dadant
forwarded me emails!
I have had crackpots contact me and chemical companies trying to act like
beekeepers.
Never a response from the other articles like the article on the
neonicotinoids. Like David Hackenberg and CCD I have been pushed to the
front of the fight of beeks against the neonicotinoids.
The leadership of both organizations are convinced after looking into the
neonicotinoids that they are causing problems through sub lethal effects.
Hence the first program to get funding was the grant for testing the sub
lethal effects of imidacloprid on honey bees ( paid for by Hagen das grant
and I believe Mary Ann is doing the research).
research in Italy showed serious sub lethal effects from imidacloprid on
bees. The bees could not find their way back to the hive. Hello!
I approached Bayer about funding sub lethal testing of imidacloprid on bees
but the company declined.
The national organizations tried!
forty grand to Penn State to settle the issue seemed like chump change but
the company declined. Beeks in France and Germany asked their Bayer reps to
pop for the study. Declined.
So now the study is coming. A company rep said off the record that they
would denounce findings that sub lethal effects hurt bees on the grounds the
study was funded by beekeepers and the researchers were biased.
Why do you think Bill, LLoyd, Peter, Jim and the other beek the company does
not want to see such a study?
Wake up people.
We have been down this road with tobacco and hundreds of products.
All the beekeepers in the U.S. are asking for is some label changes. Bayer
will not even sit down with us and talk. Printed company positions have been
sent to both groups.
In Europe they realize talking will not solve the issue so they are pushing
for bans.
I respect everyone's opinion but you need to keep an open mind. Do not
confuse neonicotinoid issues with CCD .
Off label use of temik ( Bayer) is killing many many hives in Orange in
Florida. The situation is very serious to those beeks.
bob
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