here's an article with photos of some babies with the 19th century "murder bottles": http://www.fohbc.com/PDF_Files/CHarris_PhotographicProof.pdf and there's the "new" bottle: http://www.bumboseat.com/podee-bottle.html not really so much the "original patented hands-free system" that they claim... scares me to death. Tara Guy, LLLL, IBCLC *********************************************** Archives: http://community.lsoft.com/archives/LACTNET.html Mail all commands to [log in to unmask] To temporarily stop your subscription: set lactnet nomail To start it again: set lactnet mail (or [log in to unmask]) To unsubscribe: unsubscribe lactnet or ([log in to unmask]) To reach list owners: [log in to unmask]