Charles

I can't see why that code would affect banners. All it does is show or hide
the element whose id is passed to it. can you elaborate?

On 1 November 2010 18:25, Charles McGuyer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I use the JavaScript below a whole lot on my website. With menus. But the
> JavaScript, css (layers) and menus create a problem when used with
> advertising banners. The banners, needless to say, pay me for my work. If
> the banners don’t load the menus don’t work. Sometimes a page has to be
> refreshed numerous times before the 

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?Hello, Joe. I don't know what to add other than what I said in my email.
The menus, at times, don't open or work. I notice this when the Internet (or
my connection is slow). When the connection is working very fast there
doesn't seem to be a problem. But there is something that is not loading
correctly and to me, it's the banners. Even though this happens when they
are entirely visible. Refreshing the page, sometimes numerous times, is the
only way to get the menus to fully correctly. I've read that JavaScript
doesn't work until the entire page 

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?Joe, try starting on this page and clicking the link back to the home page
and see if the problem happens.

http://www.chasms.com/opera96/opera96.htm

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Fawcett
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 3:26 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Javascript, CSS, Menus, Banners and IE

Charles

I can't see why that code would affect banners. All it does is show or hide
the element whose id is passed to it. can you elaborate? 

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Did you use something like fiddler to see if there are any errors while loading CSS or js?

Donald R. Kichline
Sr. Software Engineer
Software Architecture Group
Penske Truck Leasing

On Nov 3, 2010, at 8:47 AM, Charles McGuyer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> ?Hello, Joe. I don't know what to add other than what I said in my email. The menus, at times, don't open or work. I notice this when the Internet (or my connection is slow). When the connection is working very fast there doesn't seem to be a problem. But there is something that is not loading correctly 

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Don, thanks for the tip. I've downloaded Fiddler and am working with it
now.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Kichline
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 8:04 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Javascript, CSS, Menus, Banners and IE

Did you use something like fiddler to see if there are any errors while
loading CSS or js?

Donald R. Kichline
Sr. Software Engineer
Software Architecture Group
Penske Truck Leasing 

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I changed to an all CSS menu, no javascript at all. Haven't seen the
problem yet. But after doing so I think the problem was an 'onload' command.
The previous menu had an 'onload' command to call the javascript and the
javascript wasn't executed until the page was completely downloaded. And at
times, something was never completely downloaded. Until a refresh took
place. At least that's what I think at the present. 

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?Oh, I forgot to mention that the problem below only happens in IE. I have yet to see it in FireFox, Chrome or Safari.

From: Charles McGuyer
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 7:13 AM
To: ie-html
Subject: Form URL affects CSS/javascript

Is anyone still around the group? Never receive any emails.

I have this problem with my css/javascript menus caused by a form from a previous page. 

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Hi Charles

Long time no see! :-)

Try leaving out the name=xx parameter from your input-tag. Do you really need
it for some reason?

If that doesn't work (or you want to use the named control for another
purpose), how about adding method=post to your form-tag?

hth,

Yves

------ Original Message ------
Received: 02:14 PM CEST, 10/18/2010
From: Charles McGuyer <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Form URL affects CSS/javascript 

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?Hello, Yves. Yes, it has been awhile. Sort of quiet around here.

Using your suggestions (see below) I was able to get rid of the parameters
and hopefully my problem is solved. Thanks a lot and see you soon! :-)

<div style="position: absolute; width: auto; height: auto; left: 488px; top:
347px; z-index: 1;" id="button">
<form method="post" action="../../myhomepage/index.html">
<input type="submit" value="Back to Homepage" />
</form></div> 

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Never mind. My mistake. I was calling the wrong function.

Hi Charles,

Good to hear from you again. It's been a while!

Not much I can tell you about IE8. Beta 1 doesn't render so many things that
I'd given up on it already (seriously: even Google search results have
issues; our university's website http://www.iastate.edu is all messed up as
well). From your story it doesn't seem beta 2 would be any better. 

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Hello, Yves. Thanks for your reply. I will try your suggestions below. It's
OK with Firefox 3 so it's sort of puzzling why it doesn't work with IE8.
Plus it works fine with IE8 on the first click but after closing a layer and
trying to reopen it, it doesn't work. Will keep looking as to why this is
happening. Good to hear from you.

Once you set the document.location value, you're telling the browser to load a
new page. Which means that you're loosing all of your current content on that
page, including the remainder of the script (so the script stops executing
after your document.location command).

What do you mean exactly with "change URLs"?

Yves

------ Original Message ------
Received: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:56:03 AM CDT
From: Charles McGuyer <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Change URL & Show Layer 

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By changing URLs I mean that I am currently at prefs2.htm (current URL). I
click a link that goes to prefs3.htm (the new URL). The new URL has 3 layers
within divs. I want to show only one of the divs/layers. I can't figure out
the syntax to do that.

Here's how I do it within the current page with no problems.... 

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Hi Charles,

Try something along these lines:

<a href="showlayer.htm?layer1">link</a>

and then in showlayer.htm:

<script language="JavaScript>
function f() {
hideAll();
ShowContent(document.location.search);
}
</script>
<body onload="f();">
Lorem ipsum etc...
</body>

------ Original Message ------
Received: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:59:11 PM CDT
From: Charles McGuyer <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Change URL & Show Layer

By changing URLs I mean that I am currently at prefs2.htm (current URL). I
click a link that goes to prefs3.htm (the new URL). The new URL has 3 layers
within divs. I want to show only one of the divs/layers. I can't figure out
the syntax 

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Thanks a lot, Yves. By passing the variable in the URL and using
"window.location.search" that you suggested I was able to do this and have
it work perfectly.

(in prefs2.htm)
<a href="prefs3.htm?id1">

(in prefs3.htm)
<body onload="changeit()">

(in prefs3.js)
function changeit() {
hu = window.location.search.substring(1);
ShowContent(hu);
}

Thanks a lot, Joe. I have seen pages such as that but couldn't remember
where. A search turned up nothing. I will look into the code. You've been a
great help.

Joe, after looking at a couple of scripts I found a very easy answer for
what I want to do. And what they are doing for the most part. They simply
put a transparent layer over the whole page and then open a layer on top of
that. That will block the links and make them unclickable while the layer is
showing. I should have thought of that. But didn't. Thanks again.

Oh that is brilliantly simple. It is so obvious in hind site, I like
it.

Donald R. Kichline
Penske Truck Leasing
Sr. Software Engineer, Systems Architecture

T 610-796-4190
F 610-603-8402
E [log in to unmask]
www.GoPenske.com

P.O. Box 563
Reading, PA 19603-0563

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Charles McGuyer
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 3:11 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Layers and Links 

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What about using Event.X and Event.Y? More info @

http://www.gtalbot.org/DHTMLSection/PositioningEventXY.html

and

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms535863.aspx

HTH,

Yves

------ Original Message ------
Received: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:52:11 AM CDT
From: Charles McGuyer <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Passing CSS Parameters to Script

I am using the code below when I mouseover a link on an image map. Works fine,
no problems. I will probably have 15 links (or more) mapped on the image map.
Is it possible to pass the parameters of the "left" and "top" co-ordinates of
the layer to the script function "ShowContent(d)"? It will save me from having
so many divs 

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Charles

If I've understood you can just add extra arguments:

onMouseOver="ShowContent('layer1', 50, 100)"

and then:

function ShowContent(d, newLeft, newTop)
{
var oTarget = document.getElementById(d);
oTarget.style.left= newLeft;
oTarget.style.top= newTop;
oTarget.style.display = "block";
}

Note that you should store the target in a variable, it's highly inefficient
to use getElementById each time.

Joe

http://joe.fawcett.name

>From: Charles McGuyer <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Passing CSS Parameters to Script
>Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:51:37 -0500
>
>I am using the code below when I mouseover a link on an image map. Works
>fine, no problems. I will probably 

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Yes, but the problem is likely that he wants to determine the values of the
parameters dynamically, and not program them statically into the page.

Yves

------ Original Message ------
Received: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 08:09:45 AM CDT
From: Joe Fawcett <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Passing CSS Parameters to Script

Charles

If I've understood you can just add extra arguments: 

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Joe, thanks a lot. That will do it.

Yves, thanks also. I was wanting to program the co-ordinates statically. But
I can use what the information that you gave me to get them.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Fawcett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: Passing CSS Parameters to Script 

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I just checked out a couple of websites that host games, one of them a big
player in website games, and they have the same thing happening. I guess you
have to be able to control the swf game file itself. I wrote none of them. I
was thinking of frames but I couldn't control the game code. Something
server side? Thanks. 

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Haven't touched this stuff in a while, but let me guess. I think that
you can call window.close() on your main window after you open the
second window. I am sure that the second window cannot call
opener.close(), the code to close the window has to be in the original
page. To make this work, you may need to either open the new window, or
close the original window on a different thread via
window.setTimeout(<insert call here>, 0). 

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Pozun, Stephen (MED US) wrote:

> Haven't touched this stuff in a while, but let me guess.
> I think that you can call window.close() on your main
> window after you open the second window. I am sure that
> the second window cannot call opener.close(), the code
> to close the window has to be in the original page. To
> make this work, you may need to either open the new
> window, or close the original window on a different
> thread via window.setTimeout(<insert call here>, 0). 

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James & Stephen, thanks for the replies. The SWF game will be a window that
I didn't open from a script. It's coming from my page but as James mentioned
below, and I have read earlier, you can't close a window that you didn't
open (without the warning). I was hoping that you guys might know a work
around. Thanks again. 

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You can get around this using ActiveX - you get much more control over
the windows that way, but it's another download...

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Charles McGuyer
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:00 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Open New Window - Close Opener - Object/

James & Stephen, thanks for the replies. The SWF game will be a window
that I didn't open from a script. It's coming from my page but as James
mentioned below, and I have read earlier, you can't close a window that
you didn't open (without 

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Charles,

> I use a lot of image menus on web pages and at times I will put
> an 'onclick' in the <body> tag. When I click the mouse anywhere
> on the page, the menu(s) will disappear by going to a js
> function. This works good for me until I need to use another
> 'onclick' on the same page. Two 'onclicks' get in the way of
> each other when one is in the <body>. 

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>>window.event.cancelBubble = true

James, the code above does exactly what I'm looking for. I can use the
'onclick' in the <body> tag and to open another menu without them canceling
one other out. I wasn't aware of the code above but there's lots I'm not
aware of.

>>setting a delay so that the menu
>>would close x number of seconds after mouseout 

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You won't be able to do it without lowering the browser security settings to
allow unsafe controls.
The actual steps involved might be:
* Create a page with an iframe as the target to drop the files
* Set a timer or use the iframe onload event to detect when a new file is
loaded
* Read the file location, load using adodb.stream and put contents into an
XML wrapper using a base64encoded element to hold the file data.
* Post the XMl file to the server using msxml2.xmlhttp.3.0 or greater. 

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Joe Fawcett wrote:

> You won't be able to do it without lowering the browser security
> settings to allow unsafe controls.
> The actual steps involved might be:
> * Create a page with an iframe as the target to drop the files
> * Set a timer or use the iframe onload event to detect when a new file
> is loaded
> * Read the file location, load using adodb.stream and put contents
> into an XML wrapper using a base64encoded element to hold the file data.
> * Post the XMl file to the server using 

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http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/hta/overview/htaoverview.asp

Especially important is the application="yes" on the iframe to allow cross
domain communication.

Joe

>From: Luca Passani <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Drag&Drop
>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:34:54 +0200
>
>Joe Fawcett wrote:
>
>>You won't be able to do it without lowering the browser security settings
>>to allow unsafe controls.
>>The actual steps involved might be:
>>* Create a page with an iframe as the target to drop the files
>>* Set a timer or use the iframe onload event to detect when a new file is
>>loaded
>>* Read the 

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Charles

Two points:

I had no problem loading the page and using the menu, it was "instantaneous"
on my broadband connection. What connection do you ahve problems with?

You may be able to speed it up by extracting the two functions, onmouseover
and onmouseout, to permanent functions rather than have the javaScript
engine re-evaluate for each sub's parent node. 

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Joe, thanks for the reply. I have a broadband connection, Sprint. And at
times it loads very fast with IE but then at other times it seems very
sluggish. It may be my connection but when I compared FireFox and IE it just
seemed FireFox was always there immediately. I will look into your
suggestions. It might be that I am a little rattled because of switching to
the new code. Thanks again. 

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"What connection do you ahve problems with?"

Joe, I overlooked the above question. My problem goes like this---- the menu
does not work until all of the ads (2) on the page are completely
downloaded. Is there a way to insure the menu loads before the ads start
their download process? Thanks.

Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Fawcett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: IE loads very slow with javascript 

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Charles

Not that I know of. You can try preloading the images which might help the
general speed.
Is your code included as an external file or actually in the page?

Joe

>From: Charles McGuyer <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: IE loads very slow with javascript
>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 08:36:12 -0500
>
>"What connection do you ahve problems with?"
>
>Joe, I overlooked the above question. My problem goes like this---- the
>menu does not work until all of the ads (2) on the page are completely
>downloaded. Is there a way 

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Joe, I have the code as an external file. I took out one of the ads and it
seems better now. I'm going to try your suggestions and look into some other
things. Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Fawcett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: IE loads very slow with javascript 

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Sorry, just saw this email. Considering I am a java web developer, I
use Eclipse based tools. Essentially though, it boils down to just a
simple text editor with some syntax coloring. I personally have never
been very happy with what tools create for you. But that is just
myself.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Charles McGuyer
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 7:13 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Front Page Successor 

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for IE I use top and left rather than screenX and screenY

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McGuyer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 05 July 2006 13:08
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: New Window Position

<area
href="javascript:homepage('options1.htm','_blank','width=550,height=570,scre
enX=333,screenY=222')"

The code above places the new pop-up window in the correct position using
Netscape 8.1. IE6 doesn't place the new pop-up window correctly. Is there an
issue with IE6 concerning placement of windows? Thanks for any help.

Thanks, Wayne. I should have known that.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Birch, Wayne" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: New Window Position

> for IE I use top and left rather than screenX and screenY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles McGuyer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 05 July 2006 13:08
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: New Window Position
>
>
> <area
> href="javascript:homepage('options1.htm','_blank','width=550,height=570,scre
> enX=333,screenY=222')"
>
> The code above places the new pop-up window in the correct position using
> Netscape 8.1. IE6 doesn't place the new pop-up window correctly. Is 

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not a prob :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McGuyer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 05 July 2006 14:29
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New Window Position

Thanks, Wayne. I should have known that.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Birch, Wayne" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: New Window Position

> for IE I use top and left rather than screenX and screenY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles McGuyer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 05 July 2006 13:08
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: New Window Position
>
>
> <area
>
href="javascript:homepage('options1.htm','_blank','width=550,height=570,scre
> enX=333,screenY=222')"
>
> The code above 

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Charles,

I would suggest a change to your original code to make it more
accessible, and not completely reliant on javascript:

<area
href="optionsGfonts.htm"
target="_blank"
shape="rect"
coords="386, 191, 481, 215"
onclick="return
options(this.href,this.target,'width=440,height=440,screenX=0,screenY=0'
)">



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<script type="text/javascript">
function options(vHref, vTarget, vFeatures)
{
window.open(vHref, vTarget, vFeatures) ;
return false ;
}
</script>

You just want to make sure that you return false from the
options function to cancel the default action produced by clicking the
area element. This approach is valuable because it allows the link to
work whether or not scripting is enabled, and simply adds extended
features (e.g., sizing and location 

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Thanks, James. I will look into this.

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Aylard" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: New Window Position

Charles,

I would suggest a change to your original code to make it more
accessible, and not completely reliant on javascript:

<area
href="optionsGfonts.htm"
target="_blank"
shape="rect"
coords="386, 191, 481, 215"
onclick="return
options(this.href,this.target,'width=440,height=440,screenX=0,screenY=0'
)">



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<script type="text/javascript">
function options(vHref, vTarget, vFeatures)
{
window.open(vHref, vTarget, vFeatures) ;
return false ;
}
</script> 

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I imagine that because you close the window the default action of following
the link fails to run.
Not sure how you solve this though, perhaps a timer:

<area target="the1stone" href="http://www.myurl.com" shape="rect"
coords="91, 108, 156, 132"
onclick="setTimeout('closeWindows()', 500);return true;">
function closeWindows()
{
opener.close();
window.close();
}

Joe

>From: Charles McGuyer <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Open 3 windows - close 2 and change URL of 1st
>Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 19:40:24 -0500
>
>I am opening 3 windows. I name the 1st one "the1stone" with the script
>below. This code is in the 1st window.
 

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Joe, thanks for the reply. I was looking into a timer as your email came in
and this works in Netscape 8 and Firefox! IE6 as well.

<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
<!--
function closethem() {
setTimeout('self.close(); opener.close()',200);
}
//-->
</SCRIPT>

<area target="the1stone" href="http://myurl.co" shape="rect" coords="91,
108, 156, 132"
onclick="javascript:closethem()">

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Fawcett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: Open 3 windows - close 2 and change URL of 1st 

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This seems to have done it. Patience is not a virtue with me. Didn't try long enough. Thanks.

<area href="javascript:options('optionsGfonts.htm','_blank','width=440,height=440,screenX=0,screenY=0')" shape="rect" coords="386, 191, 481, 215">

<script language="javascript">
<!--
function options(url,brow,coord) {
window.open(url,brow,coord);
}
//-->
</script>

Don,

> With the fall out of Microsoft losing the court case, they are
> modifying how ActiveX behaives on IE. Does anyone know if this
> affects HTC or AJAX calls?

Off-hand, I'm not certain. I don't think it would affect HTCs,
although it might affect AJAX since XMLHTTP is technically implemented
as an ActiveX control prior to IE7. However, my guess is that Microsoft
will not allow AJAX functionality to be broken. 

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Kichline, Don (Indust, PTL) wrote:

>With the fall out of Microsoft losing the court case, they are modifying how ActiveX behaives on IE. Does anyone know if this affects HTC or AJAX calls?
>
>
what is the court case all about? do you have a pointer?

Luca

Essentially it is a patent case filed by Eolas against Microsoft. Microsoft lost.

http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/29/1823233

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Luca Passani
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:16 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: ActiveX and AJAX

Kichline, Don (Indust, PTL) wrote:

>With the fall out of Microsoft losing the court case, they are modifying how ActiveX behaives on IE. Does anyone know if this affects HTC or AJAX calls?
>
>
what is the court case all about? do you have a pointer? 

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It doesn't matter as the ruling only affects embedded objects, which
Microsoft has interpreted as those incorporated with an object element.

Most Ajax scenarios use new ActiveX, in IE, or a built in COM object, for
other Windows browsers.

Even if you did use the object tag to embed the msxml class you could still
use document.write or DHTML, myDiv.innerHTML = "<object .....>", to
instantiate it as apparently that's not covered by the patent.

Thanks! That will make my managers very happy to hear. Appreciate the help.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Joe Fawcett
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:10 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: ActiveX and AJAX

It doesn't matter as the ruling only affects embedded objects, which
Microsoft has interpreted as those incorporated with an object element. 

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I was having problems that were resolved by this but it may not be your
issue.

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/12/16/504864.aspx

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kichline, Don (EM, PTL)
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:55 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Crashing IE

Shot in the dark, but is anyone experiencing IE crashes after this weekend?
We came into work with reports that when users log into our web app, the
browser takes a dump. I think it has something to do with XSL, but we are
still investigating. 

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Thanks though, but no, the computers are all locked down to IE5.5, though there is one with Windows XP IE6.

Also, it doesn't always happen. In fact some said that it is working fine today, and no changes were made.

Donald R. Kichline
Software Engineer

Penske Truck Leasing
Rt. 10 Green Hills / P.O. Box 563
Reading, PA 19603-0563
610.796.4190 / Fax: 610.603.8402
E-MAIL: [log in to unmask] 

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Don,

> Shot in the dark, but is anyone experiencing IE crashes
> after this weekend? We came into work with reports that
> when users log into our web app, the browser takes a
> dump. I think it has something to do with XSL, but we
> are still investigating.

Not here. But with any such problem, try to determine where this
problem is occurring, how widespread it is, and what a common thread
might be among those experiencing it. Something must have changed within
the environment of those experiencing the problem, and it may not even
be 

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We finally figured out what was happening. It turns out that I put the keyword lightweight in the HTC file. I did this because in IE6 it made the control load faster. Well unfortunately I did not test this on IE5.5, and that is where it was crashing. We took the lightweight out of the file and everything worked again. 

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Don,

> We finally figured out what was happening. It turns out that I put
> the keyword lightweight in the HTC file. I did this because in IE6
> it made the control load faster. Well unfortunately I did not test
> this on IE5.5, and that is where it was crashing. We took the
> lightweight out of the file and everything worked again. 

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Sorry, forgot to add one little detail. We can not reproduce the problem on any of our computers. I am not sure if it is just that we are not using the application as much as the people in the field, or that their configuration is somehow different than ours. 

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Don,

> Sorry, forgot to add one little detail. We can not reproduce
> the problem on any of our computers. I am not sure if it is
> just that we are not using the application as much as the
> people in the field, or that their configuration is somehow
> different than ours.


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> fnReserve(): Object doesn't support this property or method 

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Another update on matters...

We found a machine localy that has the problem. It is sporadic. Let me explain.

The machine we found with this on is Windows 2000 Server, IE 6.0.2800.1106CO, Updates: SP1 plus a bunch of Q hotfixes.

So I open the browser, go to the page. Yes there are frames, but we do not access them from the page itself. The frames act as links to other pages, but the pages themselves never refer to the frames. 

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Don,

> We found a machine localy that has the problem. It is
> sporadic. Let me explain.
>
> The machine we found with this on is Windows 2000 Server,
> IE 6.0.2800.1106CO, Updates: SP1 plus a bunch of Q hotfixes.

It's always possible that a particular hotfix has mucked things
up, but you can't conclude this until you've done some serious
debugging. 

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I also tried this with no luck.

<div style="color: inherit; background: transparent; position: absolute;
width: 100px; height: 74px; z-index: 1; left: 345px; top: 23px" id="layer1">

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles McGuyer" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:34 AM
Subject: CSS Transparency

I have a gif and the background is transparent. When I insert the gif into a
layer, all I see is white for the background and the rectangle of the layer.
It is not transparent. 

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Nevermind, I was able use a png image and that solved the problem. Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles McGuyer" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: CSS Transparency

>I also tried this with no luck.
>
> <div style="color: inherit; background: transparent; position: absolute;
> width: 100px; height: 74px; z-index: 1; left: 345px; top: 23px"
> id="layer1">
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles McGuyer" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:34 AM
> Subject: CSS Transparency
>
>
> I have a gif and 

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Glad I could help. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Charles McGuyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 9:16 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CSS Transparency

Nevermind, I was able use a png image and that solved the problem. Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles McGuyer" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: CSS Transparency 

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Don,

> I am part of a group developing an internal web application.
> This application will run exclusively on Internet Explorer.
> For reasons that I will not go into, we have a need to send
> a file down to the browser and have it saved to a particular
> directory on the user's machine.
>
> The rub is that the stake holders do not want the users to
> have to intervene on the saving of this file. It should
> happen automatically, with absolutely no intervention from
> the user.
>
> So, what are 

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What is happening is that we have a bar code printing software package that is installed on each user's machine. For good or for ill, the way this package prints is that it routinely polls a directory to see if a file exists. This file essentially contains parameterized data for a template that is installed on the machine. 

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Use the Windows File System Object (FSO). You can find details and sample
code at the MSDN web site.

HTH.

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Don,

> What is happening is that we have a bar code printing
> software package that is installed on each user's machine.
> For good or for ill, the way this package prints is that it
> routinely polls a directory to see if a file exists. This
> file essentially contains parameterized data for a template
> that is installed on the machine. 

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Well, I had the exact same question for my management. We currently have a package that is producing PDFs on our application server already. It sounds like they actually might go along with this. So I am keeping my fingers crossed that I do not have to do some cludgy hack on getting the file down to the user's machine. 

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Charles,

> I use a lot of pop-up windows. I was just viewing my code with
> Netscape 8 and the windows don't pop-up, they are tabbed. Very
> inconvenient for what I'm doing. The next version of IE will
> have tabbed browsing. Is there a work around? Thanks.

I'm reasonably confident that the IE engineers won't follow
Netscape's lead by opening a pop-up window in a separate tab --
Netscape's approach is a bad approach, IMO. Another approach that you
can implement -- which will have its drawbacks -- is opening a
pseudo-popup that is actually a hidden 

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Charles McGuyer wrote:
> I use a lot of pop-up windows. I was just viewing my code with Netscape 8 and the windows don't pop-up, they are tabbed. Very inconvenient for what I'm doing. The next version of IE will have tabbed browsing. Is there a work around? Thanks.

In Firefox this behavior is customizable, which is, IMO, a Good Thing,
since it gives the user maximum control. Maybe you can check to see if
it can be configured in Netscape as well or not.

"Charles McGuyer" <[log in to unmask]> ink wired:

> I use a lot of pop-up windows.

Pop-ups have fallen out of favor, due mainly to advertising and abusive code
that spawns multiple pop-ups on unsuspecting web surfers. The latest
windows updates automatically block pop-ups and tools such as Google's
toolbar does the same. I suspect that pop-ups will soon go the way of the
blinking text... just IMHO... 

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Charles,

>> I use a lot of pop-up windows.

> Pop-ups have fallen out of favor, due mainly to advertising and
> abusive code that spawns multiple pop-ups on unsuspecting web
> surfers. The latest windows updates automatically block
> pop-ups and tools such as Google's toolbar does the same. I
> suspect that pop-ups will soon go the way of the blinking
> text... just IMHO... 

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Thanks to all that replied. I use the popups for screenshots of various Internet applications. I have recently started using a huge amount of pop-ups. In IE6 I have pop-ups blocked (Tools | Internet Options | Privacy) but it doesn't affect the pop-ups I use whatsoever (at least on my machines). No one has ever complained thus far. If I'm affected in the future, by browser updates (not concerned with Netscape 8), I will have to seek workarounds. Thanks again. 

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James Aylard
>
> In IE6 I have pop-ups blocked
> (Tools | Internet Options | Privacy) but it doesn't affect
> the pop-ups I use whatsoever (at least on my machines). No
> one has ever complained thus far. If I'm affected in the
> future, by browser updates (not concerned with Netscape 8), I
> will have to seek workarounds. 

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Aylard, James A SOPUS-OFI/4126" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Tabbed Browsing

> James Aylard
>>
>> In IE6 I have pop-ups blocked
>> (Tools | Internet Options | Privacy) but it doesn't affect
>> the pop-ups I use whatsoever (at least on my machines). No
>> one has ever complained thus far. If I'm affected in the
>> future, by browser updates (not concerned with Netscape 8), I
>> will have to seek workarounds.
>
> Out of curiosity, I checked to see how IE 6 under Windows 

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Steve,

>
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2brows.
mspx#EFAA

Good resource. Thanks.

> With respect to a client's links not working, the first thing
> to check is the HTTP URL Protocol. Most of the time the lack
> of proper functionality is due to corruption of this
> Protocol.

By corruption of the HTTP URL protocol, are we talking about a
munged URL, a "broken link"? I agree that verifying that the link has
not been broken due to the removal of the linked resource would be the
first thing to check. But the concern Charles had was whether a popup
blocker would block 

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I think I better clarify my pop-ups. I may not have been very clear in my statements. The pop-ups only appear when a link is clicked. These windows are never unsolicited, never advertisements and never pop-up out of the blue. These pop-ups only appear as additional information to the information being viewed. On Netscape 8, they appear as tabbed and I was wondering how IE7 was going to handle this. Hope this better explains what I was trying to say, if I wasn't clear in the original email. Thanks for all the replies. 

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"Charles McGuyer" <[log in to unmask]> explained:

> The pop-ups only appear when a link is clicked.
> These windows are never unsolicited, never
> advertisements and never pop-up out of the
> blue.

That is understood. However, some pop-up blockers do not discriminate
against the nature of pop-ups. Perhaps the developers of those tools
should?

Yves,

> sub n
> set tempafb = document.createElement("img")
> tempafb.src = "c:\pic.jpg"
> tempafb.onload = m
> end sub
> </snip>
>
> I'm getting an error-message on the line that's trying to set the onload event
> handler. Is my syntax wrong? How can I make this work?

From MSDN[1], you are attempting to use JScript/Javascript syntax within a VBScript subroutine; try the approach indicated for VBScript: 

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This works great. Thank you James, as always, you've earned your stripes :-)

Actually, I've noticed that since the file is available locally, I can do any
post-processing directly as well:

sub n
set tempafb = document.createElement("img")
tempafb.src = "c:\pic.jpg"
m ' instead of: tempafb.onload = m
end sub

I'd only recommend this technique with local files, however, it does make the
code less complicated as well. 

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one.html
========
<html>
<head>
<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="openwindow.js"></script>
</head>
<html>
<button onclick="system('somefile.html');">Open Some File</button>
</html>

two.html
========
<html>
<head>
<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="openwindow.js"></script>
</head>
<html>
<button onclick="system('someotherfile.html');">Open Some File</button>
</html>

openwindow.js

Don, thanks. It works great.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kichline, Don (EM, PTL)
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Calling a *.js file redux

one.html
========
<html>
<head>
<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="openwindow.js"></script>
</head>
<html>
<button onclick="system('somefile.html');">Open Some File</button>
</html>

two.html
========
<html>
<head>
<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="openwindow.js"></script>
</head>
<html>
<button onclick="system('someotherfile.html');">Open Some File</button>
</html>

openwindow.js

No problem, just glad to see there is someone looking at this mailing list.

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Charles McGuyer
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 2:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Calling a *.js file redux

Don, thanks. It works great.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kichline, Don (EM, PTL)
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Calling a *.js file redux 

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That all depends on what you are trying to do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Charles McGuyer
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 5:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Calling a *.js file

I am calling a *.js file with the script below in the <head> section of my html file.

<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript" src="alltheroutines.js"></script> 

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I'm trying load variables and open new windows. Can that be done? Is my syntax correct to call the file from the html file? Is the syntax for the js file correct? Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kichline, Don (EM, PTL)
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Calling a *.js file 

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Charles,

> I'm trying load variables and open new windows. Can that be
> done? Is my syntax correct to call the file from the html
> file? Is the syntax for the js file correct? Thanks.

The content of an external script file should be written exactly as
you would write any script embedded in the html page, but without any html
comment delimiters (i.e., <!-- and --> are not appropriate in an external
script file). The small snippet of code that you provided is syntactically
correct, but provides little information to help us understand what aspect
of your 

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I'm getting an 'Object Expected' error so it obviously is not detecting the routines in my file. I'm searching the archives. All the javascript functions work when they are put into my html page. When I put them into the *.js file, I get the error. Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: Aylard, James A SOPUS
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Calling a *.js file 

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The content of an external script file should be written exactly as
you would write any script embedded in the html page, but without any html
comment delimiters (i.e., <!-- and --> are not appropriate in an external
script file).

James, I thought I had deleted all the "<!-- and --> " comment stuff but there was a couple in there. It is now working correctly. Thanks a lot for all the replies and help.

Charles,

> I'm getting an 'Object Expected' error so it obviously is not
> detecting the routines in my file. I'm searching the
> archives. All the javascript functions work when they are put
> into my html page. When I put them into the *.js file, I get
> the error. Thanks.

Most likely your script filename or path is incorrect. 

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Along with that idea that the name is wrong, just put at the top of the included js file the following line:

alert("made it");

This will display the popup as soon as the code is encountered. If you do not see it when you load the page, obviously the name is then wrong. 

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Don

I think the onblur event is firing as a result of popping the alert
(the element loses focus in order to pop an alert), and as such your
debugging is actually changing the behavior of the element. If you instead
create a div and have each event of the select element write its name each
time it fires into that div, you will find that the behavior is different.
Try the following code: 

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Hi Don.

I don't know what browser you are using but the MSDN documentation for this
event says the following for the onchange event:

This event is fired when the contents are committed and not while the value
is changing. For example, on a text box, this event is not fired while the
user is typing, but rather when the user commits the change by leaving the
text box that has focus. In addition, this event is executed before the code
specified by onblur when the control is also losing the focus. 

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First, we are using the latest versino of IE 6 with all of the latest patches.

And sorry, if my oringinal email sounded like I expected the event to fire on each key stroke. I expect, as the docs specify, that the event should fire after committing the changes. i.e., losing focus. 

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Hi Don,

You can use onBlur event to fire javascript code when the textfield lose
focus. Have you proved this?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kichline, Don (EM, PTL)
> Sent: domingo, 20 de febrero de 2005 9:31
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: OnChange not firing
>
>
> First, we are using the latest versino of IE 6 with all of
> the latest patches.
>
> And sorry, if my oringinal email sounded like I expected the
> event to fire on each key stroke. I expect, as 

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onblur works perfectly...

A little late night digging around has turned up something... What is
happening is that we have an onkeydown event being fired. This event is
formatting the data. So what happens is that the value is committed in
the javascript.
Then when the focus is lost, the event is not fired because the value
really has not changed. So this is a trap of my own device... I need
the formatting, a requirement by the customer. But I also need the
onchange to fulfill another requirement. I thought about onblur, but
then that will kick off if 

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I've used onBlur in several places where I also check to make sure the value has changed before doing anything. One thing you have to be careful of when using onBlur is that you don't want to get yourself into an infinite loop. Here's what happened to me. I had some client side validation occuring on Field A and Field B. Say someone entered some sort of value that would fail the validation for Field A and they clicked on Field B. Normally the validation would return the focus to Field A requiring the user to correct the value. However, 

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Well the final straw to this whole debacle is that the onkeydown, onchange combinations work perfectly in netscape and firefox.

If you look at the W3C docs at: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/scripts.html#h-18.2.3

I qoute, "The onchange event occurs when a control loses the input focus and its value has been modified since gaining focus"

I don't know about you guys, but this sounds like a big old bug to me on the part of IE. What do you think the chances of getting Microsoft to fix this bug? Slim or not at all? Will they even consider this a bug? 

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if (top.location == self.location)
then the page is not in a frame and you can redirect:
{
self.location = "http://www.myHomeSite.com/homeFrame.htm?content=" +
self.location.href;
}

Joe, thanks. I had to take out " +self.location.href;" because it put me in a loop. But all works great.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Fawcett
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Frames - Javascript

if (top.location == self.location)
then the page is not in a frame and you can redirect:
{
self.location = "http://www.myHomeSite.com/homeFrame.htm?content=" +
self.location.href;
} 

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Ø I have a website that revolves around an Iframe. All the

Ø links on the home page send the requested page to the

Ø Iframe that is contained on the home page. When a search

Ø engine finds a page for the site it sends the user to the

Ø page and it is not contained in the Iframe. I have javascript 

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It is a website maintained by me but the problem is solved. Thanks.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dwayne Conyers
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Frames - Javascript

Ø I have a website that revolves around an Iframe. All the

Ø links on the home page send the requested page to the 

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I think we are the only 2 ones left.

greetings,

Bart Heyblom

> From: Bart Heyblom
> I think we are the only 2 ones left.

Make that three.

Speak for yourself :)

Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Heyblom" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: The HTML List

>I think we are the only 2 ones left.
>
> greetings,
>
> Bart Heyblom
>
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> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Maid Marion
> Verzonden: zondag 26 

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There are at least thirty (30) of us waiting to see what questions may lurk
in the minds of men...

Eschew Obfuscation

This is a reply from:
Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., P.Ch.E., E.A.
Financial, Managerial, and Technical Services
for the Professional, Non-Profit, and the Entrepreneurial Organization

703.548.1343 voice
703.783.1340 fax

>From thinking to doing, from sales to profits, from tax to investments- we
are YOUR adjuvancy 

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You can be two ones. I'll be one two.

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bart Heyblom
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:17 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The HTML List

I think we are the only 2 ones left.

greetings,

Bart Heyblom

WOW! What happened to the list?

At 04:43 PM 9/26/2004, Svante Svenson wrote:
> > From: Bart Heyblom
> > I think we are the only 2 ones left.
>
>Make that three.
>
>
>
>--
>Svante Svenson
>[log in to unmask]
>
>Content management and e-commerce and integration and...
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Sits listening to the intermittent buzz and crackle of a dieing list...

Could it be that .NET and it's hijacking of server side code has killed the
list... <cheeky grin>

Cameron

>From: Maid Marion <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: The HTML List
>Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:43:43 -0400
>
>WOW! What happened to the list?
>
>At 04:43 PM 9/26/2004, Svante Svenson wrote:
>> > From: Bart Heyblom
>> > I think we are the only 2 ones left.
>>
>>Make that three.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Svante Svenson
>>[log in to unmask]
>>
>>Content management 

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Four !!! ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Svante Svenson
> Sent: domingo, 26 de septiembre de 2004 22:44
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: The HTML List
>
>
> > From: Bart Heyblom
> > I think we are the only 2 ones left.
>
> Make that three.
>
>
>
> --
> Svante Svenson
> [log in to unmask]
>
> Content management and e-commerce and integration and...
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> The Microsoft Mailing List User's Guide
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/essentials/> mailfaq.asp
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> contains important list information, including
> 

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Maid Marion,

> Is this list still active? I barely get any email from it.

According to the archives [1], this list still has 375 subscribers -- a mere
shadow of its former glory of nearly 2,000 [2] when I joined back in 1998.
The reality is that IE-HTML continues to lose subscribers while adding
virtually none, in part because Microsoft no longer promotes it (which they
_did_ do when I joined, which is how I found out about it), in part because
browser-specific coding is now out of favor, and in part because other far
more active lists more 

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I've been subscibed since almost the beginning too. I am just a lurker now.
.NET has taken all my time:)

Frank Mamone

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cameron Campbell-Brown
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 10:58 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The HTML List

Sits listening to the intermittent buzz and crackle of a dieing list... 

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Serverside is wonderful and all, but nothing beats a well written page that utilizes javascript and DHTML. We have a very heavy screen that takes minutes to load over a dialup connection (for corp customers). We did some hand waving and alot of client side programming, and wala, it loads in under four seconds when the initial .js files are cached. 

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I guess that we're all comfortable enough with client side scripting now
and/or we're moving to new technologies. Microsoft keeps burning us & we
finally realized that the only way to truly deploy a "thin client" is to do
almost everything on the server. Relying on IE for your desktop client is
extremely painful. And it's only going to get more painful when MS drops
support for their JVM plugin - we're already seeing all sorts of versioning
and compatibility issues with the SUN plugin. 

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If client side script depends on too much information not readily
available locally, then you have effectively created a thick client.
There is a balance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pozun Stephen
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:45 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The HTML List

I guess that we're all comfortable enough with client side scripting now
and/or we're moving to new technologies. Microsoft keeps burning us &
we
finally realized that the only way to truly deploy a "thin client" is to
do
almost everything on the server. Relying on IE for 

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Yet another subscriber / lurker here who remembers the heyday. At least one thing has remained constant since then: nobody remembers to delete the list footer when replying to a post. Another thing that has remained constant is that the list is an excellent resource. The brightest lights are still here, among them James Aylard, Steve Pozun, Wayne Ruehling, Don Kichline. I haven't seen Joe Fawcett post in a while--I wonder if he still subscribes. And of course the amazing Lori McKinney who can do *anything* with javascript. I really appreciate the help that these and others have given over 

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Hi Ethan -

IMHO:
Currently there is only 3 platforms to deal with:
IE5 and up
HTML2 (generally client can be convinced that other platforms are a
pure waste of money).
and those aforementioned mobile devices;

When above fails, Proper use of PDF may resolve compatibility issues (sans
mobile devices)

Client scripting is still by far the best tool in many if not most
situations. 

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Wayne Ruehling wrote:
> When above fails, Proper use of PDF may resolve compatibility issues (sans
> mobile devices)

OK, I'll jump on this email to say hi, let you know that I'm also still here
and let you know what I have been working on recently, since
it may be relevant to those who address mobile devices: 

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Hello All,

Just dropping in to say hello and I'm still here as well.

Lori

P.S. Thanks, Ethan, for your kind words.

I have lost counting the members...

Maybe I should say that I personally for many reasons prefer Firefox
nowadays. But of course any web pages I write must be readable in IE (too).

- Lennart

-----Original Message-----
From: Mckinney, Lori K [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 1 oktober 2004 15:55
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The HTML List

Hello All,

Just dropping in to say hello and I'm still here as well. 

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IMHO pdf is for printing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Ruehling [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 1 oktober 2004 08:01
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: The HTML List

Hi Ethan -

IMHO:
Currently there is only 3 platforms to deal with:
IE5 and up
HTML2 (generally client can be convinced that other platforms are a
pure waste of money).
and those aforementioned mobile devices;

When above fails, Proper use of PDF may resolve compatibility issues (sans
mobile devices)

I have to completely concur to this point. I use FireFox exclusively for all of my browsing needs. However I am in a corporate environment that stipulates the use of IE only for internal web apps. This forces me to use IE.

To be fair, I liked IE, but back in the day when their only competition was a buggy (in my opinion) Netscape Browser. There are quite a few things about IE I wish the W3C would adopt... HTC and dialog boxes to name a few. However, on the whole, I think IE is playing catch up on functionality. 

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everything has its own place. Such happens that I for yes was programmer for
local application. But I used HTML to organize my archive and discovered a
lot of beauty. Recently I tried to use for this .net technology. After all
to keep changing data is better in database then in real code. However I
discovered that a lot of problem easier to solve in HTML then on the server
even on server I use high level language. For instance. If I have opened
document after page reloads this document goes to its beginning and I lose
the point. Some 

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I started to design new project. I have on page few links. Clicking on them
I want to add iframe to this page where I sew chosen web site. The problem
is that I need add new iframe such way that I did not change content of
iframes created before. If I use simply document.write I rewrite the whole
contest. If I use div,innerHTML I restore old contest of iframes.
Aleks Kleyn
http://www.geocities.com/aleks_kleyn

> I have a jpeg with mapped links on it. One of the links on this jpeg
> pops up another jpg over the bottom jpeg. Below is the code of the
> popped up jpeg and it is in a div. The pop-up is smaller than the
> bottom jpeg and I can still select the mapped links on the bottom
> jpeg. Is there a way to kill the links on the bottom jpeg while the
> pop-up is visible? Thanks for any help. 

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A couple ideas off the top of my head:

1. You could programmatically hide the link with display:none, or
visibility:hidden whenever the jpeg is shown. You just have to remember to
make it reappear.
2. You could also just programmatically make the link do nothing by making
the HREF="" whenever the other jpeg is being shown.
3. You could show the 2nd JPEG in a modal popup window (not sure if that
fits your design). 

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All that I can think of is

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ehsan Akhgari
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:00 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Centering table inside div

Hi all,

Sorry if this question seems too basic. I can't think of any way of doing
this.

I'm working on a page using XHTML 1.0 Strict doctype. I have a <div> in
which there are several tables, and I want them to appear centered respect
to the <div>. The data inside the table comes from a db, and I can't make
the tables have a fixed 

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All that I can think of is text-align:center which applies to divs.

HTH
--Steve P

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ehsan Akhgari
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:00 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Centering table inside div

Hi all,

Sorry if this question seems too basic. I can't think of any way of doing
this.

I'm working on a page using XHTML 1.0 Strict doctype. I have a <div> in
which there are several tables, and I want them to appear centered respect
to the 
. The data inside the table comes from a db, and 

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> All that I can think of is text-align:center which applies to divs.

Thanks for the tip, that works really nice in IE. But not in any other
browser that I test with (Mozilla 1.2-7, Firefox 0.8, Opera 7.2). I know
this is an IE related list, but anyway I would be grateful if someone can
show me a cross-browser solution. 

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You might get away with the <CENTER> element.

steve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ehsan Akhgari" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Centering table inside div

> > All that I can think of is text-align:center which applies to divs.
>
> Thanks for the tip, that works really nice in IE. But not in any other
> browser that I test with (Mozilla 1.2-7, Firefox 0.8, Opera 7.2). I know
> this is an IE related list, but anyway I would be grateful if someone can
> show me a cross-browser solution.
>
 

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> You might get away with the <CENTER> element.

Thanks, but <center> is not included in XHTML 1.0 Strict as well.

Any other solutions anyone?

Thanks!

How about if you stuck your tables each inside a 3x3 table (like a
Tic-Tac-Toe box) inside the DIV with each cell having a nbsp; except for the
center cell, which would be your table. Would that center it?

steve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ehsan Akhgari" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: Centering table inside div 

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> How about if you stuck your tables each inside a 3x3 table (like a
> Tic-Tac-Toe box) inside the DIV with each cell having a nbsp; except
> for the center cell, which would be your table. Would that center it?

Hmmm, yes, that would center the <div> both horizontally and vertically.
Thanks for the thought. 

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I found the solution:

http://bluerobot.com/web/css/center1.html

I thought it's a valuable tip for submitting to the list.

Thanks for everyone for their suggestions.

>
> Is there a way to automate the adding of a site to a user's
> trusted site list?
>

Wouldn't that be an oxymoron?

Actually, I did not mean a web based method. Obviously that would make absolutely no sense. However, is there a tool that Microsoft provides, or a C++ api that I can call to add these entries? Some program I can write and distribute to my customers.

Thanks,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Pete MacLiesh
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:49 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: adding to trusted site list 

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My first thought too, PMac, but I think he's thinking more along the lines of a system administration tool. He's obviously in an intranet environment where he can do things to the clients. I don't know if the IE Resource Kit will do it -- I seem to recall that I saw an option for adding trusted sites with a custom IE install -- but that would be the first place that I would look. I added a trusted site on my workstation and then searched for it in the registry, obviously hoping that one reg key could be changed 

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Thanks! I searched in the registry. However it is not stored as: www.cnn.com

Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\ZoneMap\Domains\cnn.com\www

Thanks,

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ethan Adams
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:26 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: adding to trusted site list

My first thought too, PMac, but I think he's thinking more along the lines of a system administration tool. He's obviously in an intranet environment where he can do things to the clients. I don't know if the IE Resource Kit will do it -- I seem to recall that I saw an option for 

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Hmmm . . . now I wonder if you could create an Active Directory Group Policy that would create that key?
Otherwise a startup script that creates the key, but remember that you will actually have to create it in:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\ZoneMap\Domains\cnn.com\www
if you are in an NT/2K/XP environment.

-- Ethan Adams

P.S. -- Are you sure that you should make CNN a trusted site? J/K . . . 

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We are 95% 2K/XP, with just a smattering of 98. I will have to dig up a 98 machine somewhere... God only knows where I will find one of them. So for the most part, all will be good.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ethan Adams
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:36 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: adding to trusted site list 

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Change as follows:

<td onmouseover="this.className='changeColor';">

-- Ethan Adams

> I am using the css code below to change a table's cell color. I want the
> cell to only change with 'onmouseover' and 'onmouseout'. I have tried
> onmouseover=class="changeColor" (and other variations) but it doesn't
> work. Could someone offer some advice? Thanks.

> <STYLE TYPE="text/css">
> td.changeColor
> {background-color: #BEC8D1;}
> </STYLE> 

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Thanks, Ethan. That will do it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ethan Adams
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Coloring table cell with CSS

Change as follows:

<td onmouseover="this.className='changeColor';">

-- Ethan Adams

> I am using the css code below to change a table's cell color. I want the
> cell to only change with 'onmouseover' and 'onmouseout'. I have tried
> onmouseover=class="changeColor" (and other variations) but it doesn't
> work. Could someone offer some advice? Thanks. 

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Now, I don't know ASP from a hole in the ground. However, it looks like you should have some variables defined in you ASP script. Being that you don't have those variables defined, it takes the contents as literal, instead of substituting the value of the variable.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Internet Explorer--HTML and scripting
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ethan Adams
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:04 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Script error courtesy of .NET 

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Yeah, the error is occuring here:

theform = document.Header1:headerForm;

says it doesn't have the ";".

Where did it come up with this for the form name:

form name="Header1:headerForm" method="post" action="Default.aspx"
id="Header1_headerForm"

?

Seems like the name and id should be the same.

I'd check server side and see what the name is. Get rid of the colon if you
see it. 

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A colon in an id or name attribute is not legal. You might get away with it
in pure HTML but it's probably unreasonable for ASP.NET to have to escape
and unescape when needed.

Thank you all for your input. I posted this here because I wanted to make sure that the colon is indeed illegal. Since you all seem interested in the cause of this problem, it arises from the fact that the "Header1:headerform" form is actually in a server user control (quite a bit like an include file). However, ASP.NET wants to make sure that there is no naming conflict with a form name used in any page which contains the server user control. Consequently, it prefixes the name of the user control to the form name. For some odd reason, it 

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Yves Sucaet wrote:

> The W3C has publsihed documents regarding the new CSS3 specification.
> However, it's hard to filter from these document the theory from
> practice. It seems that many new features seem to be more subtle than
> ever.
>
> Therefore: Does anybody know of a website that talks about "What's
> new in CSS3"? 

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Pete, for you we'll make an exception. A hearty thanks from all of us for the information that *you* have shared, and good luck in whatever your next pursuit is. You will be missed and we will hold a place for you in case you ever return.

Sincerely,
Ethan Adams

> I know this is not an appropriate message for this list, but I'm leaving
> this job today and probably won't be re-subscribing this list again for
> some time, if at all. I've been an active subscriber though my last
> four jobs, and have learned a great 

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Benoit" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:38 PM
Subject: Form elements collection?

Is there a simple way to reference all of the text elements (input
type="text") in a form, without looping over the form?

No, you could do myForm.getElementsByTagName("input") but obviously that
gets other input types as well.

You have the one other possible option. You can do a getElementById and
getElementsByName. Since the name is probably already being used, give all
the input text fields an identical id, then do a getElementById().

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Fawcett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:00 AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Benoit" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]> 

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Hi Joe,

You can give them all the same ID. That would
automatically give you an array with them all
in as follows:

You could but technically id should be unique across the document. Returning
a collection is anti-standards and also requires that you check the return
value to see if has a length property to decide whether it is a collection
or just an isolated element.

Just remember their unique IDs then & call them out by id.

--sp

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Fawcett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:21 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Form elements collection?

You could but technically id should be unique across the document. Returning
a collection is anti-standards and also requires that you check the return
value to see if has a length property to decide whether it is a collection
or just an isolated element.

It is true that elements really ought to have unique IDs and so another
option is to have IDs as follows:

<form id="myform">
<input type="input" id="textbox0" name="FirstName"><br> <input
type="input" id="textbox1" name="LastName"><br> <input type="input"
id="textbox2" name="NickName"><br>
<input type="input" id="textbox3" name="OtherName"><br> </form>

and then you can loop over them by doing a

...getElementById("textbox" + i)

where "i" is either a for loop variable if you know the number of
textboxes in advance. Or you can loop round incrementing i until the
element returned is null. 

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This is a wild guess, as I don't know any thing about BHO.
Can you trap the event when IE requests for the IMG?
I mean first time the HTML of IMG tag is encountered, IE will request that
image file and if you can trap that event then may be you can do your thing
there. 

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Pix!,

> This is a wild guess, as I don't know any thing about BHO.
> Can you trap the event when IE requests for the IMG?

I claim ignorance on BHOs, as well, so this may have nothing to do
with anything. But <img> elements do fire onload events, as well as
onreadystatechange events. Can you capture those in your BHO? 

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From: "Aylard JA (James)" <[log in to unmask]>
> > This is a wild guess, as I don't know any thing about BHO.
> > Can you trap the event when IE requests for the IMG?

> I claim ignorance on BHOs, as well, so this may have nothing to do
> with anything. But <img> elements do fire onload events, as well as
> onreadystatechange events. Can you capture those in your BHO? 

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First Name is Kamesh
Last Name is Kompella
Kamesh is fine.

I tried to capture the IMG onload, generically, but wasn't able to do it.
I tried the onreadystatechange and could only capture it on the Document
level and only able to catch the "complete" state. I am thinking that
because my test page has only these 2 images and image size is really small,
so the that's why all the object.readyState's might have passed so quickly,
by the onreadystatechange event gets fired, it is in "complete" state.
I tested this on IE 5.5
Here is the code... 

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From: "Kompella, Kamesh S APX" <[log in to unmask]>

> First Name is Kamesh
> Last Name is Kompella
> Kamesh is fine.

Ok, good to know. I don't have any idea what your ethnic background is, so
I didn't want to guess which was given name and which was surname, and which
was the appropriate one to use. :) 

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Pix!
I understood your question first time correctly. I know you want to change
the HTML as it is being rendered.
I have looked in BHO, I didn't find anything there.
Now, having said that if Proxomitron is able to do it, then it can be done,
only thing we have to get our hands on that technique.
Like ScriptX, they are know some Internals of IE, I guess. 

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From: "Kompella, Kamesh S APX" <[log in to unmask]>
> I understood your question first time correctly. I know you want to change
> the HTML as it is being rendered.
> I have looked in BHO, I didn't find anything there.
> Now, having said that if Proxomitron is able to do it, then it can be
done,
> only thing we have to get our hands on that technique. 

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Well I missed the start of this, I have written a couple of BHOs myself in
VB6. Did you want to stop images loading or replace them? Although you can
turn this off in the browser therefore there must be a way of doing it it is
not obvious given the event model of IE how you could. 

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From: "Joe Fawcett" <[log in to unmask]>

> Well I missed the start of this, I have written a couple of BHOs myself in
> VB6. Did you want to stop images loading or replace them? Although you can
> turn this off in the browser therefore there must be a way of doing it it
is
> not obvious given the event model of IE how you could. 

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Look in HKEY\classes_root. search for the prog id of your dll.

Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 8:21 PM
Subject: Browser Helper Objects

> When I create a DLL used for a browser helper object,
> how do I get the clsid of the DLL? For example, I
> create the DLL, then register it using regsvr32. Then
> I need to enter the clsid in the registry at
> HKLM\SOFTWARE\...\Browser Helper Objects\ . How do I
> get the correct value to enter there for my DLL? I
> found 

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Peter Benoit wrote:
> Anyone have an address I can send an IE flaw report to?

Aside from the various Microsoft IE-related newsgroups, your best bet
might be the IEWish email address: [log in to unmask] I don't know how
actively this email address is monitored any more, but it is worth a try.

James Aylard

Out of curiosity, what is the flaw? And sorry, no I do not have an address
you can send it to.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Benoit [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:30 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Bugs?

Anyone have an address I can send an IE flaw report to?

Don't really want to repeat the details since lord knows what people
might do with it, but it's crashed every PC I've run it on.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kichline, Don (EM, PTL) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:43 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Bugs?

Out of curiosity, what is the flaw? And sorry, no I do not have an
address you can send it to. 

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I'm on various beta programs and also an MVP for IE and OE. You can email
me the details, and I'll pass them on.

steve

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Benoit" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Bugs?

> Don't really want to repeat the details since lord knows what people
> might do with it, but it's crashed every PC I've run it on.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kichline, Don (EM, PTL) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 11:43 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Bugs?
>
>
 

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AFAIK, there are just a few command-line switches supported by IE, and
minimized is not one of them.
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q178/0/58.ASP

----- Original Message ----- Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:37:35 -0400
From: "Kichline, Don (EM, PTL)" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Starting IE from the command line

Does anyone know of a way to start a browser from the command line
minimized? Currently we can start the browser by typing: 

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How about

radio.setAttribute('name','cbitem');

instead?

-----Original Message-----
From: Kichline, Don (EM, PTL) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:43 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Odd createElement Behavior

I am attempting to make a cross-browser compatible screen that utilizes
createElement, createTextNode and appendChild.

This screen obviously will have portions that are dynamically rendered
based on user input.

I have this screen, for the most part working under Mozilla and Firefox.
However, under Internet Explorer, I am having some difficulties. 

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No real luck there. I tried this:

var col = document.createElement("td");
var radio = document.createElement("input");
radio.setAttribute("type", "radio");
radio.setAttribute("name", "cbitem");
radio.setAttribute("id", slip["id"]);

No change in the behavior.

Don Kichline

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Benoit [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

How about

radio.setAttribute('name','cbitem');

instead?

-----Original Message-----
From: Kichline, Don (EM, PTL) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

I am attempting to make a cross-browser compatible screen that utilizes
createElement, createTextNode and appendChild.

This screen obviously will have portions that are dynamically rendered
based on user input. 

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So you can see the radio buttons, attach events to them, but cannot set
focus to them because you can't reference their name? Have you tried
giving them ID's?

Maybe you could test to see if the names are being set by running
something like:

f = document.forms[0].elements;
for(i=0;i<f.length;i++)
{
if(typeof(f[i]) == "object" && f[i].type == "radio")
{
alert(f[i].name);
}
}

at the end of the page, to see what pop's up? 

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The MSDN docs state you cannot create and then name an element, it has to be
in one (ugly) go:
var oRadio = document.createElement("<input name=\"radOne\">");
oRadio.type = "radio";

etc.

1. I do set the IDs. See the last line in the code I provided below.
2. I did traverse the DOM as you show below, and it DOES show up with the
name set correctly.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Benoit [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

So you can see the radio buttons, attach events to them, but cannot set
focus to them because you can't reference their name? Have you tried
giving them ID's? 

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Do you know where you saw that article?

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Fawcett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:11 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Odd createElement Behavior

The MSDN docs state you cannot create and then name an element, it has to be
in one (ugly) go:
var oRadio = document.createElement("<input name=\"radOne\">");
oRadio.type = "radio";

etc.

That did the trick!!! Of course this then breaks Firefox and Mozilla! I
was soooooooo hoping not to have browser specific code.... ughhhh!!!

Don Kichline

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Fawcett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:11 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Odd createElement Behavior

The MSDN docs state you cannot create and then name an element, it has to be
in one (ugly) go:
var oRadio = document.createElement("<input name=\"radOne\">");
oRadio.type = "radio"; 

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You can try this workaround
document.createElement("<INPUT TYPE='RADIO' />")
which is valid W3 DOM Level 1
according to:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/methods/
createelement.asp

They seem to have altered the online help, there is a bit about including
attributes but the last edition specifically mentioned the name attribute.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/methods/createelement.asp?frame=true

Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kichline, Don (EM, PTL)" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: Odd createElement Behavior

> Do you know where you saw that article?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Fawcett [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:11 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Odd createElement Behavior
>
>
> The MSDN docs state you cannot create and then name an element, 

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> Anyone recommend a good CSS editor? I am currently using the latest
version
> of Front Page. Is there anything that is better? Thanks.
>
Other than *practically anything*? ; )

I edit css in notepad, so I can't really be helpful here. DreamWeaver
has a decent css interface, but I don't use it much. 

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I really like the one that's in Visual Interdev 6 (old, I know). I might not
have all the new CSS 3 stuff, but it's very intuitive and will still let you
switch between a graphic interface or textual (like Notepad).

Hope this helps,

Yves

ryanm <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Anyone recommend a good CSS editor? I am currently using the latest
version
> of Front Page. Is there anything that is better? Thanks.
>
Other than *practically anything*? ; ) 

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TopStyle Pro isn't bad...

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McGuyer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:49 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: CSS Editor

Anyone recommend a good CSS editor? I am currently using the latest
version of Front Page. Is there anything that is better? Thanks.

Peter Benoit wrote:
> TopStyle Pro isn't bad...
>
> From: Charles McGuyer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Anyone recommend a good CSS editor? I am currently using the latest
> version of Front Page. Is there anything that is better? Thanks.

I would second TopStyle Pro [1], clearly the most intuitive and powerful
CSS editor that I have used. It was developed by Nick Bradbury, who
originally developed HomeSite, and it is very solid and polished.
There are caveats, hower: the latest version, 3.x, integrates an X/HTML
editor, which may be more than you want in a CSS editor; and, at $79.95, 

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javascript:updates('myurl.htm')

function updates(url){ window.open(url,...

HTH,
-P

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McGuyer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 1:58 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Passing URL with javascript?

I'm using the code below to open up new windows. I have about 5 windows
I need to open and they are all the same size. Is there a way to pass
the URL so I can only use 1 function instead of having to write 5
functions? Thanks. 

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Works great. Thanks, Peter.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Benoit" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Passing URL with javascript?

javascript:updates('myurl.htm')

function updates(url){ window.open(url,...

HTH,
-P

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles McGuyer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 1:58 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Passing URL with javascript?

I'm using the code below to open up new windows. I have about 5 windows
I need to open and they are all the same size. Is there a way to pass
the URL so I can only use 1 function instead of having to write 5
 

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Pearson, John wrote:

> I have two frames, frame1 loads a page from another server and frame2
> tries to list the links using parent.frame1.document.links. I get
> permission denied. e.g. in frame2


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> Is there any way to list the links in a
> page loaded from another server without actually parsing the file? 

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interesting, so frames from our intranet pages cannot communicate with frames
using our web server pages. Doesnt sound like it will work but Ill try. many
thanks.

| It depends. If the second server is one with no domain
| relationship with
| the first, then no, there is no way to accomplish this with
| client-side
| script. If there is a domain relationship, take a look at
| documentation on
| the document.domain property [1].
|
| 1.
| http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/reference/pro
perties/domain.asp 

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Thanks!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: James Aylard [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:50 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Eolas Patent Invalidated in Preliminary Decision

For those who have been following this story, the U.S. Patent Office
has invalidated the Eolas patent that was the source of concern among many
developers [1]. This is a preliminary decision, but is a clear step in the
right direction, IMO. 

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Toby Stuart wrote:

> Is there anyway to force IE to print in landscape?

You will need to use an ActiveX control to do this in IE. A few years
ago, there was some discussion on this list of ScriptX [1] by MeadCo, which
has a free, limited version that you can test out. Understand that many
users will be wary of installing an ActiveX control from the Internet, so I
wouldn't base any fundamental functionality on the control. If you're on an
Intranet, of course, you have greater flexibility. 

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Thanks very much

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Aylard [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:14 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Force IE to print in landscape
>
>
> Toby Stuart wrote:
>
> > Is there anyway to force IE to print in landscape?
>
> You will need to use an ActiveX control to do this in IE.
> A few years
> ago, there was some discussion on this list of ScriptX [1] by
> MeadCo, which
> has a free, limited version that you can test out. Understand
> that many
 

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