ISEN-ASTC-L is a service of the Association of Science-Technology Centers
Incorporated, a worldwide network of science museums and related institutions.
*****************************************************************************

Linda, you're correct.  I did receive that information in my endeavors as
well.  I just forgot to mention it.  Thanks.

Lou

-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Segebrecht [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 12:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: medicine wheels & astronomy- one last suggestion


ISEN-ASTC-L is a service of the Association of Science-Technology Centers
Incorporated, a worldwide network of science museums and related
institutions.
****************************************************************************
*

Hello All,
I hesitate to get into the mix at this late stage as I have seen this
subject line for several weeks but thought I might add a word of advice I
received when I built a program in Kansas City called EarthWorks.  I
originally envisioned a portion of the activities each day using native
American stories since the environmental message in many of them is so
strong.  To test this (and many other ideas) I held a week long workshop
with 20 educators and every few hours had a new presenter so we could really
get the full picture of what could be done around the environment.  One was
an author named Michael Caduto who wrote many books using native American
stories he combined with lesson plans. I also invited Dan Wildcat from
Haskell Institute (an Indian college near us) as we explored this idea.  Dan
quietly said that it was wrong to tell his people's stories on the hour (or
on demand) or even use it as part of an experience.  He pointed out that
these stories were part of their religious beliefs and it would conversely
seem odd for someone on the hour or in most museum setting to tell Bible
stories (e.g. water into wine in the Chemistry lab).  So...I just pass this
on since it really made me stop and think.  Needless to say, we did not
follow that path at EarthWorks of using native American stories to convey
environmental messages.  So....take this little story as you will.

Linda Segebrecht
Project Explore, Inc.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katherine Paronto" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: medicine wheels & astronomy- one last suggestion


> ISEN-ASTC-L is a service of the Association of Science-Technology Centers
> Incorporated, a worldwide network of science museums and related
institutions.
>
****************************************************************************
*
>
> I have one more small suggestion...how about having a modern native
> person telling the story?  One of the major complaints of the Native
> American community is that they are always portrayed as they were a
> hundred years ago.  You could have the story teller roar up to the fire
> on his snowmobile or even better, have a few people around a regular
> kitchen table telling the story.
>
> Katherine Patterson-Paronto
>
>
> Peter Davis wrote:
>
> > ISEN-ASTC-L is a service of the Association of Science-Technology
Centers
> > Incorporated, a worldwide network of science museums and related
> > institutions.
> >
****************************************************************************
*
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much for your responses. They were indeed very helpful
> > and pushed me further in a direction I was leaning towards anyway.
> >
> > I will most likely avoid bringing in medicine wheels as a major
> > element of the Native part of the Night Sky focus. It may be a good
> > opportunity to do a field trip and have a number of people listening
> > to a Native guide for a while.
> >
> > Right now, I envision a Sky Story Telling by a Native around a bonfire
> > (in the freezing Canadian winter night - doesn't that sound
> > appetizing?). And a similar (or maybe joint?) event  could be arranged
> > with telling the ancient Greek stories behind the constellations. I'd
> > be quite happy to leave these stories as a cultural, oral tradition
> > and not to try to squeeze any science into them. That can be done at a
> > different event.
> >
> > In any case, I very much look forward to working together with the
> > Natives in the area and I hope that this will work out.
> >
> > Cheers and a happy new year to everybody,
> > Peter Davis
> >
> > ***********************************************************************
> > More information about the Informal Science Education Network and the
> > Association of Science-Technology Centers may be found at
> > http://www.astc.org.
> > To remove your e-mail address from the ISEN-ASTC-L list, send the
> > message  SIGNOFF ISEN-ASTC-L in the BODY of a message to
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
>
> ***********************************************************************
> More information about the Informal Science Education Network and the
> Association of Science-Technology Centers may be found at
http://www.astc.org.
> To remove your e-mail address from the ISEN-ASTC-L list, send the
> message  SIGNOFF ISEN-ASTC-L in the BODY of a message to
> [log in to unmask]
>

***********************************************************************
More information about the Informal Science Education Network and the
Association of Science-Technology Centers may be found at
http://www.astc.org.
To remove your e-mail address from the ISEN-ASTC-L list, send the
message  SIGNOFF ISEN-ASTC-L in the BODY of a message to
[log in to unmask]

***********************************************************************
More information about the Informal Science Education Network and the
Association of Science-Technology Centers may be found at http://www.astc.org.
To remove your e-mail address from the ISEN-ASTC-L list, send the
message  SIGNOFF ISEN-ASTC-L in the BODY of a message to
[log in to unmask]