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"Lyle E. Browning" <[log in to unmask]>
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These are good sources, but you’re looking for a foundry that does cast metals. Swank is good, but unfortunately there seems to be little of a pan-America look later. The intake pipe is almost certainly a cast product but with a 30”OD there are limited numbers of places that can do that. A good thing to do would be to chemically fingerprint the pipe and then use that to compare with an ironworks with the appropriate initials.

Lyle Browning, RPA
www.fallingcreekironworks.org <http://www.fallingcreekironworks.org/>

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 2:24 PM, Kate Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> 
> Keith,
> 
> I've found Google Books to be extremely helpful in providing historical
> sources that list iron works or furnaces for my own research in
> northwestern CT. A couple sources which might be helpful in identifying the
> name (the first coincidentally from 1884)
> 
> Swank, James Moore. 1884. Directory to the Iron and Steel Works of the U.S.
> https://books.google.com/books?id=V141AAAAMAAJ&dq=iron%
> 20furnace%20iron%20works&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false
> 
> Lesley, J. Peter 1859. The Iron Manufacturer's Guide to the Furnaces,
> Forges, and Rolling Mills of the U.S.
> https://books.google.com/books?id=NSJDAAAAIAAJ&dq=iron%
> 20furnaces%20connecticut&pg=PR1#v=onepage&q&f=false
> 
> Hope those prove useful!
> 
> Kate
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Madrigal, Cregg <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Well, that changes everything. One possibility is the Camden Iron Works
>> (NJ), founded in 1845.  Here's a plan map of their factory, surveyed,
>> coincidentally, in 1884.
>> 
>> https://www.philageohistory.org/rdic-images/view-image.cfm/
>> HGSv19.1830-1831
>> 
>> Cregg
>> 
>> 
>> T. Cregg Madrigal, Ph.D.
>> Environmental Specialist 3 - Archaeology
>> New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection
>> Municipal Finance and Construction Element
>> Bureau of Environmental, Engineering, and Permitting
>> Mail Code 401-03D
>> 401 E. State St.
>> PO Box 420
>> Trenton, NJ 08625-0420
>> 609-633-1170
>> [log in to unmask]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Keith
>> Doms
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:00 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Cast iron pipe
>> 
>> Actually, I curse my dyslexia, the letters are "CIW".   I am assuming that
>> it should be C...  Iron Works.     The joint is somewhere underground and
>> not currently accessible.  It may even be under the modern road.   It is
>> assumed that the race was culverted when the paving of the road under which
>> it passes.  From what I read the greater Philadelphia area was a major
>> producer of cast iron pipes until the 1880s when production centers moved
>> south and west.  Thus far, I have not been able to locate any list of
>> foundries from the region.  I did see a listing for the Chattanooga  Iron
>> Works but the record indicated that that firm only produced frying pans and
>> small goods.
>> 
>> Keith R. Doms
>> Newlin Grist Mill
>> Site Manager
>> 219 S. Cheyney Rd.
>> Glen Mills, PA  19342
>> (610) 459-2359
>> [log in to unmask]
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bob
>> Skiles
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 12:23 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Cast iron pipe
>> 
>> Keith,
>> 
>> Are you absolutely sure that it's CWI [C.W.I. ?] and not CWT ? Have you
>> ever seen how the lengths of pipe are joined (bell & spigot, butted,
>> flange-and-bolt) ??
>> 
>> Perhaps the easiest approach to identification is an archival approach.
>> For such a major project (a 30" water main would be considered a "major"
>> project, even in Texas) there were doubtlessly copious records in the
>> books of the governmental authority (county / city ?) who actually
>> bought-and-paid-for installation of the pipe. On such projects, it is not
>> uncommon to find recorded lengthy discussions prior to the project over
>> which particular pipe/manufacturer would be best, then there's the bidding
>> records (usually replete with historical information on the type of pipe /
>> manufacturer testimonials / comparative testing results / pertaining to
>> usually several bidders). I would go down to the local-temple-of-justice
>> (courthouse / municipal records building) and give a quick perusal through
>> the purchasing / bidding records for the water projects for the period you
>> suspect the pipe was laid (if they have not all been incinerated in past
>> courthouse fires, like a lot of them have been across the South where we
>> stupidly built wooden courthouses during earlier settlement).
>> 
>> SOMETIMES the archival approach in local records may give surprisingly
>> quick-and-easy answers (for example, I was once working on trying to
>> identify various fragmentary construction artifacts from a previous Texas
>> courthouse covered by the modern one ... quite a problem until I found the
>> record book of the Commissioners Court where every single item that was
>> purchased for the old courthouse had been tediously itemized as to cost and
>> supplier).
>> 
>> Bob Skiles
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/23/2017 7:31 AM, Keith Doms wrote:
>>> Unfortunately, my copy of American Iron is awol.  Can anyone out there
>> check the index to give me a clue please?
>>> 
>>> Keith R. Doms
>>> Newlin Grist Mill
>>> Site Manager
>>> 219 S. Cheyney Rd.
>>> Glen Mills, PA  19342
>>> (610) 459-2359
>>> [log in to unmask]
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>> Patrick Martin
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:19 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Cast iron pipe
>>> 
>>> Must be some ironworks with CW name. Don't have resources at hand out on
>> a road trip, but I would start with Bob Gordon's American Iron as a key
>> source.
>>> PEM
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 22, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Keith Doms <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone come across cast iron pipe with the Letters "CWI" molded on
>> it?  We have a 30" id. Pipe with "CWI 1884".  Any thoughts about the
>> manufacture?
>>>> 
>>>> Keith R. Doms
>>>> Newlin Grist Mill
>>>> Site Manager
>>>> 219 S. Cheyney Rd.
>>>> Glen Mills, PA  19342
>>>> (610) 459-2359
>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> 

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