Dave,
I think that you've made my point even more broadly than I
originally intended.
Mark
>Hi All,
>
>There's a lot of behavior that can be gleaned from things as mundane
>as window glass. For example, instead of lumping window glass in
>with the bricks frags, nails etc. and "architectural refuse" how
>about classifying it in the lighting category along side chimney
>glass, etc.?> fenestration is likely corrrelated with the amounts of
>other lighting-related artifacts in household deposits.
>
>Karl Rohnke pointed out that window glass could also be reclassified
>as a medicinal artifact, since bluish tints were thought to be
>thereputic during the "blue glass mania." Once it fell out of
>fashion some this blue glass ended up out west and sold cheap.
>
>And then there's looking at post-abandonment processes, vandalism,
>rates of repair, window salvage prior to demolition.... I guess my
>point is that those big variables that make status-related
>statements using window glass so risky are exactly the kinds of
>things we should be looking at, rather than the classic dating
>formulas, etc...
>
>my two cents,
>
>Dave Moyer
>
>--- On Wed, 5/11/11, Mark Branstner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> From: Mark Branstner <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: Early 19th Century window glass
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 3:58 PM
>> Daniel,
>>
>> I have absolutely nothing useful to add to this discussion,
>> but the
>> general idea of quantifying window glass and correlating it
>> with any
>> status measurement seems so fraught with unknown variables
>> that I
>> can't imagine how it could possibly work, or even if it
>> looked like
>> it did, how you could possibly verify your conclusions.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >These sites are all adjacent to one another along the
>> same road, so
>> >availability due to transport shouldn't have been a
>> primary factor in
>> >the amount of flat glass on each site. I suspect the
>> most likely route
>> >would have been overland via the Maysville Road and to
>> the road via
>> >river traffic on the Ohio, though some glass could have
>> come via the
>> >Kentucky River and Frankfort - there aren't many
>> options for river
>> >travel where the sites are located. Our first railroad,
>> the Lexington
>> >and Ohio, wasn't operational until 1833 and didn't
>> actually go to Ohio.
>> >It eventually found its way to Louisville but that
>> wasn't until 1850 or
>> >so and by then, my sites were pretty much abandoned.
>> I've found
>> >references for glass factories in Louisville, but they
>> post-date site
>> >abandonment as well. There were glass factories in
>> mid-Ohio by the early
>> >1800s, but I don't know if they produced flat glass -
>> they seem mainly
>> >to have been involved in bottles.
>> >
>> >Anybody ever compare CCI values to frequencies of
>> window glass on
>> >multiple historic sites?
>> >
>> >Daniel B. Davis
>> >Archaeologist Coordinator
>> >Kentucky Transportation Cabinet
>> >Division of Environmental Analysis
>> >200 Mero Street
>> >Frankfort, KY 40622
>> >(502) 564-7250
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of
>> >Doms, Keith
>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 4:30 PM
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Subject: Re: Early 19th Century window glass
>> >
>> >Cost is one factor. Also it might be a measure of
>> availability due to
>> >ease of transportation Viz. Improving road networks,
>> regular river boat
>> >traffic, canals, and early railroads
>> >
>> >KRD
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> On Behalf Of
>> >Davis, Daniel (KYTC)
>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:40 PM
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >Subject: Early 19th Century window glass
>> >
>> >Good afternoon!
>> >
>> >Can anyone direct me toward references for early 19th
>> century window
>> >glass in the eastern US - that aren't for dating the
>> associated
>> >structures? Specifically, I'm looking for information
> > on price and
>> >availability and operating under the assumption that
>> more window glass
>> >on a site for this time period will directly associate
>> with a higher
>> >socioeconomic status for the site's occupants. I've got
>> 4 sites in
>> >central Kentucky that date from around 1790 to 1840 and
>> based on the
>> >excavations to date, there is significant variance in
>> the amount of
>> >window glass from each site. I'm guessing the window
>> glass types would
>> >be blown plate, crown, or cylinder glass though I don't
>> think there's a
>> >good way to separate the types.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Daniel B. Davis
>> >Archaeologist Coordinator
>> >Kentucky Transportation Cabinet
>> >Division of Environmental Analysis
>> >200 Mero Street
>> >Frankfort, KY 40622
>> >(502) 564-7250
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mark C. Branstner, RPA
>> Historic Archaeologist
>>
>> Illinois State Archaeological Survey
>> Institute of Natural Resource Sustainability
>> University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>> 209 Nuclear Physics Lab, MC-571
>> 23 East Stadium Drive
>> Champaign, IL 61820
>>
>> Phone: 217.244.0892
>> Fax: 217.244.7458
>> Cell: 517.927.4556
>> [log in to unmask]
>>
>> "I hope that was an empty bottle, George! You can't afford
>> to waste
>> good liquor. Not on your salary, not on an associate
>> professor's
>> salary!" Elizabeth Taylor (1932-2011) as 'Martha' in 'Who's
>> Afraid of
>> Virginia Woolf'
>>
--
Mark C. Branstner, RPA
Historic Archaeologist
Illinois State Archaeological Survey
Institute of Natural Resource Sustainability
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
209 Nuclear Physics Lab, MC-571
23 East Stadium Drive
Champaign, IL 61820
Phone: 217.244.0892
Fax: 217.244.7458
Cell: 517.927.4556
[log in to unmask]
"I hope that was an empty bottle, George! You can't afford to waste
good liquor. Not on your salary, not on an associate professor's
salary!" Elizabeth Taylor (1932-2011) as 'Martha' in 'Who's Afraid of
Virginia Woolf'
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