>Gotta disagree a little here, George. We do both of the above all the time, with generally good results. >However, one must really know what one is doing, so the above methods are definitely not recommended for bee-ginners. Allen, for us bee-ginners, can you shed any light on what it is that you do to preclude the kinds of problems George mentions? I'm going to be installing two packages this evening and had planned to use a mixture of drawn comb and foundation, figuring that the queen could get to laying right away in the drawn comb while the bees were working on drawing out the foundation. Many thanks, Dan Brown Woodinville, WA