Hi John, Why not just take the old queen excluders and spray some kind of food grade laquer to make them a little tighter. Just seems logical to do that. God Bless You Robert&Teresa Butcher [log in to unmask] ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]