Hi all Recent listings requested more info on the weather. So, to all you freezing Northern Hemisphere types, I'm sorry to say that it is a sweltering 40 degrees C at the moment on the southern tip of Africa. This heat has undoubtedly frizzled what little common-sense I ever had, as I am about to (briefly) enter the very regrettable Pedro Rodriquez - James Satterfield debate. I could launch a defence on the virtues of the rigorous rules pertaining to scientific publications, but will limit myself to commenting that (rightly or wrongly) the scientific community for the last thousand years, now, and for as long as this planet lasts, - will always be cautious about new information or ideas. And will only accept them after thorough peer review, and after independent corroborative evidence. The system is slow and often annoying, but in the long term it works well. The jingle to sell the most popular beer in South Africa is "it has stood the test of time". Ditto for good science. So Pedro, if you have good results, publish them and allow them to be judged. If you choose not to do so, they do not exist, and will never exist, no matter how many posts are sent to this list. Come on, this is a fantastic opportunity. Prove that the scientific community are the pampered fools that you clearly think they are. Publish and prove how blind and lazy and selfish we are. Allow all the scientists AND beekeepers out there the opportunity to see how important your results are. Or else, please shut up. Last little comment. All these great, industry-saving results are (we are told) to be circulated to benefit the industry. And all the years of toil were done for the sake of the researcher-forsaken beekeeper. But relax, the saviour for Joe Beekeeper has now arrived. Well Pedro, if your results are worth something, and it was all done out of concern for beekeepers, why don't you immediately post your results and solutions to this list to save the thousands of colonies and hundreds of beekeepers that you have convinced us that you have answers for. Why only talk about it, why only promises? Methinks this is all for Pedro Beekeeper. And now I am quilty of all those things this list has recently been criticized for - verbosity, personal attacks etc. And like James Satterfield, I promise, never again. Vanquished, and meekly departing Mike Allsopp Mike Allsopp tel (27)(21) 887-4690 Honeybee Research Section fax (27)(21) 883-3285 Plant Protection Research Institute pmail plant3/vredma Agricultural Research Council email [log in to unmask] P/Bag X5017 Stellenbosch 7599 South Africa