> We had a lousey year and yet I am entirely happy about all the > plastic foundation I used (10,000 sheets) . I used it in the broods, > I used it in the supers, and over 80% of it was at least half drawn > -- most more. I am also happy with the permadent foundation that we put in this year. We put in about 11000 sheets this year; I'm estimating about 6500 of that went into the brood chambers. One thing to note is that when we incorporate foundation into the brood chambers, we try to always place it next to the first frame of brood from the edge. And of course we only start this once the willows or dandelions are flowing in the spring. This works for us. I'd like to add that while we put foundation into the broods, we also cull old combs. These old combs are replaced with foundation. We are able to do this right in the field because of the strength of plastic foundation. We haul the stuff all over the country. Try throwing wax foundation across the bee yard to one of your guys who is calling for it :) Well, you can do it with permadent. I've had some fall off the truck going 60mph. Not a problem. Kevin Christensen Mallaig, Alberta Canada