John, I'm sorry if you see the provision of factual information as "DRIVEL". If you consult previous e-mails on this topic you will see that I have only made 2 responses to Walters comments which I too see as "TEASING". I also agree that to much of this type of e-mail detracts from the function of the list. However, if the list is to be a public forum for the expression of ideas and the exchange of information, then by definition an individual has the right to express an opinion. Besides, one also, as I do daily, have the right to delete unread e-mail from BEE-L if the contents of the E-mail is not of interest. Therefore I suggest and do as I do, delete e-mail that is not of interest. One additional comment. Often e-mail can be like junk mail in your letter box, unsolicited but sometimes interesting to read. Besides for a lot of people it makes the list a little more interesting to have the odd difference of the opinion expressed. Robert Rice Apicultural Service Manager (South Island) Ministry of Agriculture New Zealand.