>Subject: Too much Hi All, A few rambling thoughts from a beekeeper. I don't want to see anyone dropping this list and wish more would join it. I don't feel that I am part of any special group then just being a beekeeper. I am proud that I have been a beekeeper 40+ years and have supported myself doing so the whole time. I read with the same interest the post for help from the new beekeepers just as intently as I do from the few commercial beekeepers and the academic or regulatory communities from every corner of the world. A few year's back when I was more active in the US national beekeeping organizations and the annual meeting became so large that the talks would be split up, so presentations for the commercial beekeeper's and some for the hobbyist were going on at the same time. I shocked my own contemporaries by attending the hobbyist meeting's. I had nothing to sell or any ax to grind, I just wanted to learn, I knew it all from the prospective of a lifetime of commercial beekeeping. I don't regret one minute of that time, none was wasted and I did learn much and I still am. I am insulted that any would change this group because their mail box is full or they don't like seeing the same question's asked over and over. It seems that some of those who complain seem to have not wasted much effort in answering some of these questions. If they would I would be more then happy to add their answer's to my Beekeeping FA system that other's with the same question could address as so many do now. I am sure that Wild Bee's automated Beekeeping FA system is pumping out as much e-mail as the total traffic to this list group saving much time and effort for those who are so busy. I have made repeated requests that some of you that are very gifted, qualified and respected in many areas of interest to beekeeper's help by adding or reworking some of the good but old and regional beekeeping FAQ's, few have responded or even bothered to comment. For this I am also disappointed. How busy we all are that some can not give about the same effort in improving communication beekeeper to beekeeper but find the time to..........well shall I politely say discourage new beekeepers from learning from their experience. I respond when I think I can add to the dialog, right or wrong.. I can take the heat of the hate mail and cherish the Love letter's, and I get plenty of both. Sorry to see so much contention between posters on the direction this list should take or has taken. Leaving the group is not the answer, leading it could bee, and I know some of you are gifted leader's in your fields and you could do more here with a little extra effort. It is true the world of electronic communication has changed and opened the door to many more then the privied few of a few years past. I am one of those and I think this is good for all who have interest in beekeeping and beekeeping in general and support it in every way I can. Including making this B-List group and the other group sci.agri.beekeeping available to anyone who can use a modem and and afford to dial to Wild Bee's BBS at 209-826-8107. I keep 1000 messages on line ready to read or be downloaded and read off line from each group. Few from the beekeeping academic or regulatory community ever have called. I know and understand that it's not a free call and some or most don't have modems to call outside lines, but don't believe this is true of all. If this group suffer's from anything it is not enough post's from the many talented people who are listed as readers, including those from the academic and scientific community who in my humble opinion should be extending their work to the public more not less for reason's if they don't understand they will in the future when request's for public monies fall on closed minds and deaf ears. The real political force in the beekeeping world is not invested with the public agencies or by commercial beekeepers, scientists, or regulators, it's the average beekeeper who is asking those repetitive questions that will direct the flow of public interest in the future and is doing so now. They are here because better technology has open the door to them, and they have every expectation that they can and will participate. I originally signed on to this list at my own personal expense as the majority of the new public users in the expectation's of learning more of what the academic, including government agencies's are doing.. I am not so naive to have thought that any of you were passing secret's about unpublished work, but I did hope that more of you would be using this group to post a lot more then what I have seen so far and to sound out other's including the beekeeping novice on what should or could be done in the future. Sadly I have been disappointed to date with those of you that do have things to say or access to good public information but have not bothered to post it. But I am not running away or quitting this list, I may get bumped off but I will be back one way or another for good or bad. What I will try as time and monies permit: When I see a question that is repetitive or beginning beekeeping I will try to e-mail that person a copy of Wild Bee's Beekeeping FAQ list and some will use it to request the information that some of you don't want seen in this list. I won't be able to do them all but I can do more. If I was a real ass I would just post the return Beekeeping FAQ's here and you all could read it again and again.<BG> For this I expect nothing, will accept nothing, but would like to see more of you adding to the list as I know you could and THANK those few who have without mention of their names but they are secure and know who they are. ttul Andy- To get the latest FAQ of Beekeeping Information via e-mail post in e-mail to: [log in to unmask] (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinions are not necessarily fact. --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ Wild Bee's BBS, a HONEY of a BBS (209) 826-8107