Dave; Another question on the "rim" you describe. What do you make it out of? Are you using telescoping covers, or and empty super to fit this rim under? I use a sheet of 5/8's underlayment plywood for my covers and there's not much room for anything underneath. Are you wintering in a single deep, a story and a half, or two deeps? I will start feeding as soon as it warms up a bit, and I agree about division board feeders and jars and buckets. I have settled on one gallon jars over a plywood cover with a three inch circular hole. I can see the jars, see how fast the syrup goes down, and see the bubbles gurgling from the leakers before I leave the yard. Still, I don't particularly like using jars. The lids stick and rust, the bees glue up the holes, they only hold a gallon, and they have to be stored. so, I am still interested in the dry sugar if I can figure how to get this rim into my hives without adding an empty super. For your information, I am an extension agent in northern N.C. and I run about 120 hives for honey and pollination. I make dark honey, but it sells well, and pollinate cucumbers for $30 a hive (last year's price, probably up to $35 this year). Its good to talk to someone from the mid-Atlantic area. Bill -- WILLIAM G LORD E-Mail : wglord@franklin Internet: [log in to unmask] Phone : 9194963344 5663