Charlie's absolutely right about no till and herbicides. Although I am fully aware of the problems with herbicides, no till has gone a long way in solving what used to be the main environmental concern in the Midwest--soil erosion. Unfortunately, it is far more difficult to practice no till without herbicides. -- Randy Oliver Grass Valley, CA www.ScientificBeekeeping.com *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html