What astonishes me when I watch the video (http://youtu.be/0_pj4cz2VJM) is that there is not a single bee trying to robb the jars. Either my bees are extremely rowdy (it would take them only a minute to find the bonanza) or the bees in the video are all dead... And then I look at the patent drawings and see a lot of movable parts. Movable parts and propolis, does that survive the first year? Then I look at the web site (http://www.honeyflow.com/) and it says at in the last entry: "The hive was packed with bees and it was near impossible to get the honey out without squashing lots of them." I may myself squash one or two bees when I work my hives, but not lots of them. I think it is important to learn how to keep bees before using such device. And you learn by opening your hives often. I agree with PLB's last post. And then there is the fund raising aspect. Nothing wrong with it if the investors are fully informed. But are they? My gut reaction says: no. And that may be where "all the aggression toward the concept" comes from. Jorg *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html