Dennis: I have been writing about ccd since 2007 click search archives, string ccd, from dthompson about 100 posts ccd just requires a new treatment, that's all And yes Bob, it is real dave *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm