>we sleep the whole hive plus the virgin You have mentioned this before, and I think we are familiar with the concept, but most of us have never done it. Knowing about something and knowing how to do that same thing are very different. It helps to get the small details from a master. (That's you). Could you please explain in detail how you do it? What is already in the smoker How much ammonium nitrate to add How to know when things are right to puff How much to smoke the hive and when to stop How to know when they are 'asleep' How long they take to recover Any adverse effects What happens if you use too much Do the bees lose their sense of location? Any mortality? Thanks! *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm