Thank you Juanse I think this is a fairly large piece of the puzzle [my comments] >8 mg of cobalt per 1 liter of sugar syrup. CoCl2 or CoSO4 [protein synthesis, probably a bee specific vitamin precursor] >rate of 4 mg (KI)?per 1 liter of syrup [fat bees] >1 mg Mn per 1 liter of sugar syrup [vitamin precurser, also triggers hoarding] >(8 kg) phosphoric acid, potassium and sulfur-acid magnesium > 500 mg of salt per 1 liter of syrup (wintering feed) Where to get, Where to get, Mn is easy Few people can not find a dead (regular) flashlight battery MnO2 is insoluble, so MnO2 + 4 HCl -> MnCl2 + Cl2 + 2 H2O NOTE: evolves chlorine volumes ~ BB size may be 100 doses!!! Co is harder (slight) majority of LiIon batterys are LiCoO2 based (modern) cell phone and such & LiPos, not high draw devices The Co being Co(III) is also insoluable HCl will fix this too, hopefully a bit of LiCl is irrelevant KI I already have, but elsewhere (courtesy cold war paranioa) This IS something that can be bought at pharmecy Winter feed: look sideways and it's 1 granule triple superphospate, 1 granule KCl (0-0-60), 1 drop Milk of Magnesia (I know, this is Mg(OH)2 ) Very agricultural Don't try this at home, kids dave PS Still pleased with C, no news, doing well except for LAZY Bk *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Guidelines for posting to BEE-L can be found at: http://honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm