Karen a barren dead-out is suggestive of ccd >with a stethoscope they were buzzing Do you knock? Are they quieter, average or louder? Do you have some historical perpective? No shortage of pollen? (in hive) Quality of local pollen forage? Quality of VD control? In spring watch rear legs dave *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html Access BEE-L directly at: http://community.lsoft.com/scripts/wa-LSOFTDONATIONS.exe?A0=BEE-L