>The term CCD has caught on in some quarters here though, and some who seem to be using beekeeping difficulties to promote their own agendas like to use the term as the pulic have heard of it and it sounds like a bad thing folk can identify with without worrying too much about what it means My bees in Ontario have it It is not pleasant Everyone agrees -- empty hives, whether when warm or cold Only 1 or 2 years have I had wintering as bad as 06, 07, 08 There is a commonality of physical symptoms, but no one wants to talk about that, I'm not sure why These are not symptoms that I have seen in previous years dave *********************************************** The BEE-L mailing list is powered by L-Soft's renowned LISTSERV(R) list management software. For more information, go to: http://www.lsoft.com/LISTSERV-powered.html