Hello All, > Discussing the results of experiments to test whether irradiating or > fumigating combs helps IS NOT the same as advising people to do this. Have you heard the CDs? > So, folks like Bob take a risk any time that they give advise that is > inconsistent with a label. Despite what I have said on BEE-I and learned from the folks at the National convention ( also other beekeepers) *if* a beekeeper would purchase a container of acetic acid the container would have a label. The person is required by law to read the label. *if* they then decided to use in any other manner then how could they find me liable? This has been discussed on another list but not to my knowledge on BEE-L. The same holds true for methods about other off label methods talked about. The law is the applicator has to read the label. then follow the label. very crude example: If a beekeeper at a convention said acetic acid was safe to drink and the beekeeper went home and drank a glass without reading the label then the drinker of the acetic acid has know one to blame but himself as he broke two rules. he did not read the label and he did not follow the label. I understand what you are trying to say Jerry but I think I have approached the subject very carefully. I approached my ABJ neonicotinoid article the same way. A waste basket full of rejects before the final copy. As research becomes available to support my thoughts then the next article will point a stronger finger in a certain direction. I have finished rereading The Pollinator Protection Handbook of Johansen & Mayer. I am going to ask my friend Dr. Conner about another edition with the new neonicotinoid information. The book was well done but I read many things which were believed back then which have since been proven wrong about the effects of Temik, fluvalinate and coumaphos. I was going to list some points but the list is long. However here are the pages I found the most interesting, 42, 52, 76, 79, 84, 88, 94,96, and 97 for those with a copy. I took notes but am too tired tonight ( have been out of state) to post my comments for the list. The authors did an excellent job of presenting what was known back then. Busy week ahead! Truck loaded for making splits and queens in Tuesday. Unloading bees from Texas on Thursday. I think I have got another hernia from lifting a heavy commercial battery out of a loader. So I think I am going to finally retire from commercial beekeeping. Will be my third hernia in the same area. This is my 48 the year in beekeeping. I love beekeeping but have never been able to simply sit in an office and give orders. also: I expressed warnings in my posts concerning acetic acid use (which were not expressed about the use at the national convention) and talked about a face shield, rubber boots, gloves , respirator and full chemical suit. I stand behind what I posted in order to possibly help my fellow beekeepers. Those on the list which were at the nosema seminar or have purchased the 3 CD set will say the people doing the seminar did not explain the hazards of acetic acid like I have done here. I agree with Peter & Bee Quick that acetic acid fumigation might not be the best method for all beekeepers. If you go to www.conferencerecording.com you can order the 3 Nosema seminar CD set NBC98-317 From the label Nosema Seminar: "Dealing with the new nosema ceranae" Drs. Eric Mussen, Stephen Pernal, Judy Chen, Mariano Higes Excellent information in my opinion and I thank all the presenters for sharing information! bob **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * ****************************************************