trying again And BTW Aaron who should we 'tiptoe' around? some thoughts, no observations I hope The almond guys know that full formic is a semi effective treatment for ccd (X) The hive will still be infected, but will not crash You'll probably end up putting 3 pads/year Welcome to the 21st century Effect is noticeable day 10, increased morale etc DON'T put on straight off truck, they would kill Q At least 2d to settle They may kill a few Q still, temp dependant mostly Remember X is fairly infectious, anything within 1/2 flight is at risk Luckily their flight efficiency is impaired too, many die on the ground The big problem with X is its long life I suspect that is a constant source of reinfection in the hive Is it carried on your hands, clothes? Ah Ken, you haven't been following my thread Read it all, you see I got about 20-25% ccd covered More treatments are needed, 2 is not enough Last year I was a bit slow off the mark, a few tests remain to try. But I have to patiently wait 3 months And to correct record I am retesting S, it may have long term effect If you use any of my ideas feel free to publish, that's the price dave **************************************************** * General Information About BEE-L is available at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/default.htm * ****************************************************