Bob: you are splitting hairs here In spring there were no/very few bees in all hives The ccd event obviously happened in Oct or Nov (95% feed left) The WHOLE yard (10) went ccd Do you not find that striking? That EVERY hive suffered? Anyway I continue to see symptoms, so no I am not imagining it dave ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ******************************************************