Brian: >CCD where the hive would be basically MT with few if any live bees. exactly so -- about 1 cup only of corpses A normal deadout will have ~ 1 gallon corpses A varroa crash will have 1-2 liters No bees (bodys) in frames 95% of the feed still there No corpses on 'porch' No apparant pile in front of hive? When did they go? My guess is Oct/November Peter: try reading more closely dave ****************************************************** * Full guidelines for BEE-L posting are at: * * http://www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l/guidelines.htm * ******************************************************