In a message dated 15/11/2006 04:01:03 GMT Standard Time, [log in to unmask] writes: <<<<Robert Brenchley <[log in to unmask]> wrote: It would be interesting to have a colony without foundation, to see what they drew when left to their own devices, but so far every time i've tried using strips, I've rapidly ended up with comb that was so far from straight I had to start bending it and cutting bits off so I could get the frames out!>> It would be beneficial, when talking about cell sizes and what we've tried, to include in the discussion the approximate local latitude and altitude (if applicable). This would give the rest of us an idea of what type of general climate the particular beekeeper is encountering during his/her bee year. Mike in LA (Lower Alabama) Very little freezing weather in the winter and no snow on the ground since at least 1998 when I moved here.>> Birmingham UK. Regards, Robert Brenchley -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info ---