This message was originally submitted by [log in to unmask] to the BEE-L list at LISTSERV.ALBANY.EDU. It was edityed to remove quotes of previously posted material. ----------------- Original message (ID=70016A35) (61 lines) ------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:16:24 -0400 From: Brian Fredericksen <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Brood in extracting comb To: [log in to unmask] > But surely framed wire excluders restrict air flow much less ...and >are acceptable to bees? >Robin Dartington > I agree there are differences. I found the plastic molded excluders to be the worst as far as bees accepting their presence. I see there are some plastic stamped versions available now that claim to be improved. With 100's of colonies in multiple locations I feel I have enough data to come to some sound conclusions. Also I'm not aware of any beekeepers in the Upper Midwest in a commercial or large sideline operation who use them. I've had better luck staying with new world carnolians then italians when it comes to brood laying in extracting supers. If you put the supers on too early before the first major flow the Italians will be much more likley to go up and lay brood in the supers at least in the lines I evaluated. As far as items in wide use in beekeeping and their perceived benefits goes (especially mite control), one would not have to look too far in the Bee Journal ads to find some interesting items. In fact the list is growing every year. We have small cell foundation, mineral oil foggers, vinegar evaporators, "secret" essential oils and a host of many other ingeneous inventions. So I guess I never relied much on what the other guys are doing and go with my own observations and data and published scientific literature . Brian Fredericksen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::