Kudos to Aaron for his suggestion; an additional source for "The Miller Method" developed by Dr. C. C. Miller in 1912 and other methods such as the Alley Method, and The Smith Method can be found in "Queen Rearing and Bee Breeding" by Harry H. Laidlaw, Jr. and Robert E Page which is available at some of the bee supply/catalog companies. Cheers, Chuck Norton Norton's Nut & Honey Farm Reidsville, NC 27320 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::