Allen Dick wrote: The method was to spread a spoonful inside the entrance and walk away. After moisture from the air came into contact with the grey dust, the gas came off, killed the bees, then dissipated. Bob Harrison wrote: In the 50's & 60's the *conconction* talked about was used to fumigate supers in storage. The *conconction* is not used in a live bee hive as will kill all the bees. Is not used to control varroa. Andrew A. Thostenson in copy sent to BEE-L by Chuck Norton wrote: This past Friday, the North Dakota Department of Agriculture uncovered an illegal pesticide use in a large bee keeping operation. They were using a witches brew of sodium cyanide, water, and sulfuric acid to fumigate bee hives for parasitic mites, parasitic moths and, and stray bees. Reply: So no explain to me how this is the same procedure.Allen Dick sir, did you mix sulfuric acid to your stuff? Bob Harrison sir, it says they were using all three and for parasitic mites, moths and bees. So question coming to mind: ASSUMING the bigger beekeepers are into treatments for various parasitic mite and moth and bee problems, and normally are ahead in timing for what to do in beekeeping, of the main pack of beekeepers, so to speak, for going to the next step in what works......then is this saying oxalic acid and formic acid ( not that some of this could or may be called termite fumigation) were found somehow to be failing somewhat like has been mentioned in the EU in rumor, and they went to a higher level for control, while us/the poor unlearned in the main pack, now are supposed to meekly follow.............. So bluntly then , what is coumaphos, fluvalenate, oxalic acid, formic acid, thymol even, then, to some of these types of beekeepers using this stuff??? I would say NO GOOD. And I/we of course, using nothing but small cell must have them rolling on the floor. Now just how are we going to feed the USA if these beekeepers fail in their outfits; how are they going to turn around to get off this dangerous treadmill? If this is the group I think it is. Makes me wonder about the future of the NHB, the ABF, the AHPA and of course our cheap importing packers...................................Sad......and yet look at how Rome fell in the end...............................................No nation stand long that cannot feed itself from within. Respectfully Submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Tucson, Arizona _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OrganicBeekeepers_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OrganicBeekeepers) :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::