> not counting the brood, how many bees/# and > pounds are on one frame Dave Cushman has a nice visual representation of "number of bees on a frame" for "British Standard" frames, which appear to be about 8.5 inches deep and about 13 inches wide. With a little math and imagination, you can convert the images to equivalent areas on whatever frame size(s) you use. http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/beesest.html But "British Standard"? I guess that's a little like calling the Whitworth tools I need for 1950s and older MGs "standard". The neat thing about "Standards" in beekeeping is that there are so many different ones to chose from! :) jim :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::