Tim asked whether the work being done by Ohio Queen Breeders is 'the same as' the NWC work being done by Sue Cobey at Ohio State? Ohio Queen Breeders is Dr. Joseph (Joe) Latshaw, PhD. A former student of Sue's. I think, but am not certain, that he is doing postgraduate work at the same lab where Sue works. However, THEIR LINES ARE NOT THE SAME. I do not know anything about Joe's strains or his work. I had a few conversations with Joe over the years (before he completed his PhD), and I guess I can say I worked alongside him very briefly on one occasion. Very, very knowledgeable and very polite and pleasant in every way. Technically, I guess there is nothing wrong with Joe calling his operation Ohio Queen Breeders, but several persons knowledgeable of his work at Ruthenburger and with Sue Cobey have incorrectly assumed that they (his work and Sue's) are one and the same. This is incorrect and on some level they are competitors. I hope that Joe did not choose the name because he thought the (incorrect) association with Sue would be to his advantage. Lloyd Lloyd Spear, Owner of Ross Rounds, manufacturer of comb honey equipment for beekeepers and Sundance pollen traps. http://www.rossrounds.com [log in to unmask]