Woven straps with ratchets in at least two weights are a frequent loss leader at "Harbor Freight." Once you order from them, you will always know the current price. I'm still looking for a good use for their catalogs. --------------- Richard Yarnell, SHAMBLES WORKSHOPS | No gimmick we try, no "scientific" Beavercreek, OR. Makers of fine | fix we attempt, will save our planet Wooden Canoes, The Stack(R) urban | until we reduce the population. Let's composter, Raw Honey | leave our kids a decent place to live.