>But actually studying factors like mite reproduction, or varroa sensitive hygiene, will require mites -- at least in the selection process.

I can help with that!  

Thanks Pete,  didn't see your writing until today, so I will ponder it.  One point to this debate is also clear,  there is a lot of arbitrary thought going  on both side about what restiance is,  the ability to live with a certain level,  or remove them or keep swarming and moving.  That "definition" seems to be different for everyone.  I see many consider splits and swarms that don't reach a threshold to be acceptable, point being a standard definition would be a good point for all.

Thanks for the input and patience.

Charles

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