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> Ok Allen, making me type:

Sorry about that

> 15. Rogers, R.E.L. & G.R. Williams - Honey Bee Health In
> Crisis: What is Causing Bee Mortality?-Honey bee colony
> strength and health have been assessed by Wildwood Labs
> Inc. from hives in various locations in North America

> Found abstract interesting as we have discussed here on
> BEE-L list multiple stresses coming together for a final
> kill off, with last stress being the cause many believe,
> yet here it is simply explaining how to relate all
> together

Yes.  I think I read this previously, and I thought that it was here, but a 
quick search did not find it.

Frankly, I see nothing much new in it. It looks just like common sense to 
me, and the analysis is only useful the the extent that it can predict hive 
death, not explain it after if the analysis was not done beforehand. It 
could be useful in management to prevent loss, or in compliling stats, but 
not much use in the current post mortem.

Nonetheless, if a number of parameters can be measured and reliably predict 
survivial prospects, I suppose that would be new, since it would imply that 
we can determine the probability of any one factor causing mortality, and 
also how they combine.

Having written that, I realise that the system  -- from what I know and have 
heard here -- has little chance of working well since we have pretty well 
established in discussion that there are too many interrelated variables and 
many unknowns in most cases.

> What a nice paper to get hold of I think and in CANADA where Allen Dick 
> lives and I sure would want to read more in detail..... and then apply to 
> ................."CCD"........ if I could get a full copy by any chance 
> Allen, sir even!

Nova Scotia is about 2,300 miles from me, and it seems that Arivaca Junction 
is almost exactly the same distance from Nova Scotia, too.  So, maybe you 
could ask Dick for a copy.  He may even be on the list still, and offer a 
link.

At any rate, I doubt it will be much use unless you can analyse some hives, 
then manage somehow to have them die of CCD.  Could be done, I suppose, but 
from what is leaking out, CCD seems to leave some undetermined residue, 
toxin or pathogen in the hives, one that can be disarmed by radiation or 
fumigation (or time?). 

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