>I prefer the cleats to be flush with the top of the hive, above the recessed finger-holds.   That way there's a ledge on which to tilt the hive, and if the cleat covers the width from top of hive body to top of finger hold, there's a lot of room to get a better grip - important when one get arthritis in the hands, like I now have.  Jerry

I agree, tried it both ways, for old arthritic fingers Jerry's idea is best

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